How come Enderence and Diehard are not fighter bonus feats?

[KenM]

Looking at those feats, they seem tailor made for fighters. They should be bonus feats for fighters IMO, how come they are'nt?

 

[Ottergame]

Looking at those feats, they seem tailor made for fighters. They should be bonus feats for fighters IMO, how come they are'nt?

Wow, you're right. I had just assumed they WERE fighter feats.

 

[Darklone]

They aren't maneuvers.... as most of the other fighter bonus feats.

 

[Shazman]

Plus, it helps to balance out the ranger. They can get diehard easier than a fighter which helps with the d8 hit dice.

 

[ruleslawyer]

Is that really such a strong balance concern, though? I mean, almost all of a fighter's class abilities (the feats) are non-exclusive, meaning anyone else can take them. Shouldn't a fighter be able to at least exercise this non-exclusive class ability set better than other classes with whom he shares it? I don't really see the fighter being privileged over the ranger by having access to Diehard and Endurance as bonus feats; the ranger still gets Endurance for free, gets fighter-type feats (the Combat Style trees) for free, and has better saves and skills, class abilities, and spells.

 

[The Souljourner]

Toughness isn't a fighter feat either, though the bigger ones in Masters of the Wild are. Sometimes I think WoTC uses the dartboard method for decision making.

*shrug*

-The Souljourner

 

[Darklone]

I disagree. I really see a pattern there, the ranger and barbarian mostly get feats according to "tough nature boy" while the fighter is the one for combat tricks... things to be learned.

 

[jgsugden]

Toughness isn't a fighter feat either, though the bigger ones in Masters of the Wild are. Sometimes I think WoTC uses the dartboard method for decision making.

*shrug*

-The Souljourner

What you see is a lack of research, proper design notes and effort to guarantee consistency. There should have been design comments in the WotC offices that let future designers what makes a good/bad fighter feat, etc ... Either those notes are not there or they didn't use them for the splat books.

 

[Marshall]

Sometimes I think WoTC uses the dartboard method for decision making.

Sometimes???

 

[jgsugden]

Sometimes I think WoTC uses the dartboard method for decision making.

Sometimes???

He said sometimes he thinks ... not sometimes WoTC uses a dartboard ...