D&D (2024) How D&D Beyond Will Handle Access To 2014 Rules

D&D Beyond has announced how the transition to the new 2024 edition will work on the platform, and how legacy access to the 2014 version of D&D will be implemented.

• You will still be able to access the 2014 Basic Rules and core rulebooks.
• You will still be able to make characters using the 2014 Player's Handbook.
• Existing home-brew content will not be impacted.
• These 2014 rules will be accessible and will be marked with a 'legacy' badge: classes, subclasses, species, backgrounds, feats, monsters.
• Tooltips will reflect the 2024 rules.
• Monster stat blocks will be updated to 2024.
• There will be terminology changes (Heroic Inspiration, Species, etc.)

D&D (2024) - Wizards of the Coast Backtracks on D&D Beyond and 2014 Content

Wizards of the Coast posted an overnight update stating that they are not going forward with previously released plans to require those wishing to use some 2014 content on D&D Beyond to use the Homebrew function to manually enter it. Instead, all the content including spells and magic items will...

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[FrogReaver]

Why not call it D&D? Or D&D 2014 or D&D 2024 as WOTC calls it?

because 5e has always referred to d&d fifth edition. things can also be referred to multiple ways so I’m fine with those as well.

 

[FrogReaver]

I have not decided anything, I just cannot think of any other way in which it is relevant. I am open to a convincing argument, you simply are not making any argument at all. You just say 'if you do not know already, I cannot help you' which sounds an awful lot like you have nothing to offer, convincing or otherwise.

I guess I am asking you in which way does it matter to you and in which way does it matter to what can be done with the SRD. If it does not have any impact on what you can do with the SRD, then it is of no real relevance as far as I am concerned. Then you are back to 'the SRD itself matters', which I agree with.

Because if the SRD is derived from d&d 5e then all these other games that are derived from the SRD are also ultimately derived from d&d 5e (aka 5e).

This is countering the argument/notion that was previously presented that 5e refers to games derived from the SRD as if the SRD is totally independent of d&d 5e.

 

[FrogReaver]

Right. Nothing is 5e except 5e as a platform of generally compatible rules. Tales of the Valiant is compatible with 5e. A5E is compatible with 5e. D&D 2014 is compatible with 5e (and is also the root of the 5e ruleset), and D&D 2024 is compatible with 5e. But D&D isn’t 5e. We need not think of it that way. We can think of 5e as a TTRPG platform on which many different games, supplements, adventures, and sourcebooks sit.

This should be a fun question.

What is the specific set of rules a game needs to be similar to in order for it to be 5e by your usage.

Is the answer to this question not d&d 5e?

 

[FrogReaver]

For what it’s worth I don’t consider 2024 d&d to be 5e either. It’s a similar but new game. I may be alone here, but 5e to me is a reference to a specific game and its official supplements, and neither 2024 d&d nor level up are that game, despite strong similarities to it.

 

[mamba]

This is countering the argument/notion that was previously presented that 5e refers to games derived from the SRD as if the SRD is totally independent of d&d 5e.

no one claimed that the SRD is totally independent of D&D. It has its roots in D&D 5e, the independence it has stems from its license, not its design.

5e refers to the SRD and products compatible with it.

 

[mamba]

What is the specific set of rules a game needs to be similar to in order for it to be 5e by your usage.

hard to say, I don’t think you can say that if you follow these 10 or however many rules, then anything else you do with it will never make you incompatible. It will be more about how far you deviate how often

At a minimum the 6 attributes with the same range, and a d20 resolution system. That does not make you compatible but dropping any of that definitely makes you incompatible. I’d say Nimble 5e is not compatible, and that has more than the above in common, but the border is fuzzy to me, at least for now

Is the answer to this question not d&d 5e?

is is not the only answer, and even then you already end up with two variants, so clearly there is not just one valid answer to this

 

[mamba]

For what it’s worth I don’t consider 2024 d&d to be 5e either. It’s a similar but new game. I may be alone here, but 5e to me is a reference to a specific game and its official supplements, and neither 2024 d&d nor level up are that game, despite strong similarities to it.

So you treat 5e as a shortform of D&D 2014, not even of D&D 5e (incl. 2024).

Is Tasha then still 5e or already over that line? I think that can go either way, depending on how strict you want to be (I assume not that strict, as that would undercut your argument…)

Clearly you see 5e very differently from me, I take the big tent approach, 2014, 2024, A5e, ToV all falls under 5e. SotWW does not, Nimble 5e does not, so somewhere between those two boundaries runs the line where you cross over

 

[Micah Sweet]

This should be a fun question.

What is the specific set of rules a game needs to be similar to in order for it to be 5e by your usage.

Is the answer to this question not d&d 5e?

The SRD.

 

[FrogReaver]

So you treat 5e as a shortform of D&D 2014, not even of D&D 5e (incl. 2024).

Yes. I'm not sure others in this discussion do, but i do.

Is Tasha then still 5e or already over that line? I think that can go either way, depending on how strict you want to be (I assume not that strict, as that would undercut your argument…)

I treat official supplements made for 2014 D&D as D&D 5e, even if they significantly depart from 2014 Core books.

Clearly you see 5e very differently from me, I take the big tent approach, 2014, 2024, A5e, ToV all falls under 5e. SotWW does not, Nimble 5e does not, so somewhere between those two boundaries runs the line where you cross over

I don't think I see it differently. I think it's more I call it differently. What you call 5e is a concept I can see and agree exists, just I would never dream of calling it 5e.

 

[Azzy]

Some people are really trying to make fetch happen.