D&D 5E (2024) How did I miss this about the Half races/ancestries

[Guest 85555]

Micah is absolutely saying that, among others. What do you think "pressured into silence" implies?

Again labeling his opinion that people are reluctant to voice a contrary opinion on this issue, or that the opinion is weighted differently away from the online world, as him claiming there is a moral majority feels like it is trying to tie him to a particular political view that that term is associated with. Maybe it is just a casual use of moral majority that isn't trying to invoke that idea, but I think the repeated use of this phrase to describe his opinion casts a shadow on it that isn't there.

 

[Incenjucar]

Publishers listen to who yells at them, both praise and scorn.

...you mean they listen to customers about what they want?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Again labeling his opinion that people are reluctant to voice a contrary opinion on this issue, or that the opinion is weighted differently away from the online world, as him claiming there is a moral majority feels like it is trying to tie him to a particular political view that that term is associated with. Maybe it is just a casual use of moral majority that isn't trying to invoke that idea, but I think the repeated use of this phrase to describe his opinion casts a shadow on it that isn't there.

I honestly have no idea who the majority is, if there even is one. I just haven't seen these sentiments expressed offline, personally, and I don't make the assumption that most people agree with any particular viewpoint, including my own.

 

[Justice and Rule]

As far as realism goes, three things. One, verisimilitude or simulation are far better terms than realism to apply to fantasy gaming. Two, there's no reason to assume that fantasy elements would have to lead to the elimination of social constructs like slavery; that is one possibility out of many, and no more narratively relevant. Three, no fantasy setting that I know really looks all that hard into what fantastic elements would do to an otherwise mundane setting, logically, so that argument is IMO too open to be meaningful.

You talk about verisimilitude, but it's been brought up many times that things that are far more reflective of actual kingdom building like the logistics are rarely considered but slavery is always brought up. There's nothing that makes slavery worth more than these other things.

Publishers listen to who yells at them, both praise and scorn.

Yes, and I find those who don't want to change yell very loudly, or you are just not that familiar with YouTube.

There are plenty of times in history when people are reluctant to speak up when they feel something isn't right, is off, or a bad idea has taken root

Alternatively, there are plenty of people who believe they are still in the majority when they are not, that they believe those that want change are simply loud and not numerous, and that they are the people who really have their pulse on the community.

Look, if you can't actually bring up actual examples, then this is going to get nowhere. It's pretty easy to find LGBTQ+ people getting bullied out of the community by those who don't want change, but I have yet to see anyone trying to push back against change actually get booted by the community outside of Ernie Gygax.

Again labeling his opinion that people are reluctant to voice a contrary opinion on this issue, or that the opinion is weighted differently away from the online world, as him claiming there is a moral majority feels like it is trying to tie him to a particular political view that that term is associated with. Maybe it is just a casual use of moral majority that isn't trying to invoke that idea, but I think the repeated use of this phrase to describe his opinion casts a shadow on it that isn't there.

No matter how you try to play it, it's still arguing from the perspective of a "silent majority". If you're uncomfortable with it being labelled as such, maybe you should avoid continually using that sort of argument.

 

[Micah Sweet]

...you mean they listen to customers about what they want?

I mean they listen to who yells at them. More emotional yelling gets listened to more, as does anything that might realistically involve a loss of revenue. That is business.

 

[AnotherGuy]

There are plenty of times in history when people are reluctant to speak up when they feel something isn't right, is off, or a bad idea has taken root. And it is doubly hard to speak up when it seems proponents of a view who are gaining in the culture have positioned themselves as having the moral high ground (and doubly doubly hard, if they paint fairly mild positions around gaming tropes as connecting with genuinely serious and egregious atrocities and oppressions in history). ...(snip)... I can say I hear so much from people who express concerns privately but won't do so publicly for fear of being dragged through the mud.

Yup, some poster tried this much with me here in this very thread. (Bold emphasis mine)
Moral high ground is all the rage, one gets advantage in public social encounters.

 

[Justice and Rule]

I mean they listen to who yells at them. More emotional yelling gets listened to more, as does anything that might realistically involve a loss of revenue. That is business.

I mean, this is a lie. There is an entire industry of personalities built on yelling at companies for pushing more progressive politics. This absolutely exists for games and is very loud (and is also very emotional). They just don't get listened to.

Also not a good look to try and paint the other side as being listened to just because they are better at "emotional yelling".

 

[Micah Sweet]

You talk about verisimilitude, but it's been brought up many times that things that are far more reflective of actual kingdom building like the logistics are rarely considered but slavery is always brought up. There's nothing that makes slavery worth more than these other things.



Yes, and I find those who don't want to change yell very loudly, or you are just not that familiar with YouTube.

Actually, logistics are quite important to all my worldbuilding; I am a simulationist.

Also, generally speaking I avoid YouTube like the plague.

 

[Guest 85555]

No matter how you try to play it, it's still arguing from the perspective of a "silent majority". If you're uncomfortable with it being labelled as such, maybe you should avoid continually using that sort of argument.

My mistake on typing moral majority but I think the point still stands. It is a term that has a very specific political connotation in the US. So using it at a label for a poster who is just saying the numbers of people who agree with you might not be what you think because people are afraid to speak up, seems like it is casting an unnessary shadow over the argument. There is nothing connecting this opinion with the specific meaning of that term by Richard Nixon. It unfairly connects him with the Nixon administration in an argument over whether half elves and half orcs are okay in a game.

 

[Incenjucar]

I mean they listen to who yells at them. More emotional yelling gets listened to more, as does anything that might realistically involve a loss of revenue. That is business.

I would argue that a business that listens to its customers is a good thing.