How do immunities work?

[skymage]

can a grimalkin MM2 with the anarchic template MotP still use it's polymorph ability?

for those of you that don't have the books the grimalkin is a shapeshifting cat and the anarchic template is the chaotic version of the celstial template.

what about a spell casting half golem?

i remember reading somwhere that a creature isn't immune to it's own abilities if it doesn't want to be but i'm not sure where or when i read it.

any thing will help faq references, erreta, book page, opinion, or even sage advice.

right now i feel that it should still be able to polymorph itself, but there is enough doubt that i have to ask.

 

[mkletch]

can a grimalkin MM2 with the anarchic template MotP still use it's polymorph ability?

for those of you that don't have the books the grimalkin is a shapeshifting cat and the anarchic template is the chaotic version of the celstial template.

what about a spell casting half golem?

i remember reading somwhere that a creature isn't immune to it's own abilities if it doesn't want to be but i'm not sure where or when i read it.

any thing will help faq references, erreta, book page, opinion, or even sage advice.

right now i feel that it should still be able to polymorph itself, but there is enough doubt that i have to ask.

Spell immunity is similar to the spell, from what the sage has said in the past. So it acts like unbeatable SR. Since you can lower SR, you can also lower spell immunity. It is not actually in the FAQ.

-Fletch!

 

[Stalker0]

Spell immunity is a special subset of other immunities, and most people agree it can be lowered. But most other immunities, to energy, to poison, disease, etc I would not allow to be lowered.

 

[kreynolds]

i remember reading somwhere that a creature isn't immune to it's own abilities if it doesn't want to be but i'm not sure where or when i read it.

According to the Sage, immunity to magic is treated as unbeatable SR. SR never interferes with your own casting. Here's a reply from the Sage (found it on the WotC boards) on the subject...

> Hello there, we were having a discussion on the
> boards about how the various spell immunties
> work (here is a link if you're interested:
> http://boards.wizards.com/rpg/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=118;t=002051)
> and we are confused about exactly how a Golem's spell immunity does work.

Think of it as unbeatable SR.

> It is clear from the spell that the spell is treated as
> infinite/unbeatable SR against the warded spells, but the golem
> description seems to indicate that it might be different.

No, that's right.

> So, is a golem's spell immunity unbeatable SR, or is it just immune to
> all spells?
> If the former, can I assume that is it affected by a Maze spell?

Yup (Maze is SR: No; you build a maze around the golem).

> What about the fire from a wall of fire?

Wall of the is SR: Yes, so the golem is immune. Note fire has special effects on some golems

> If the latter, what about things like Greater Magic Weapon, Rock to Mud
> cast under them, etc?

If the SR entry is "no" the golem does not ignore the spell's effects.

> The text on the Anti-magic field seems to indicate that some spells that
> aren't listed under their description can affect them, but we're not sure
> what.

See previous answers (and your own excellent judgement).

> Thanks in advance for your help

 

[skymage]

that's what i thought. so a half golem sorcerer can buff himself and a anarchic shapeshifter can still shapeshift.

thanks for the answers.
i'll still check back incase other people have somthing to say.