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5E How do you do the Shield Spell from a Scroll?

Athinar

Explorer
How do you do the Shield Spell from a Scroll?
If the spell is on your class's spell list you can use an action to read the scroll
Shield
Casting Time: 1 reaction, which you take when you are hit by an attack or targeted by the magic missile spell
Duration: 1 round
An invisible barrier of magical force appears and protects you. Until the start o f your next turn, you have a +5 bonus to AC, including against the triggering attack, and you take no damage from magic missile.

After Reading the scroll, It is not used until triggered (by a reaction)?
 

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jrowland

First Post
I would say when read as a scroll (as an action), you gain +5 bonus to AC and take no damage from magical missile until the start of your next turn. Basically, you "lose" any reaction "benefit".
 

iserith

Magic Wordsmith
I would suggest leaving it as a reaction so long as the character has the scroll ready to go in one his or her hands.
 

seebs

Adventurer
I'd say that it would be a really bad idea to turn shield into a spell scroll, since its primary advantage is that it's a reaction.

Heck, I'm not even sure it'd work; you can't cast it except by Using Your Action, but the shield spell's "reaction" type doesn't really allow for casting it as an action.
 

Athinar

Explorer
I would say when read as a scroll (as an action), you gain +5 bonus to AC and take no damage from magical missile until the start of your next turn. Basically, you "lose" any reaction "benefit".
I was thinking the same but not losing the Reaction because you cast the spell as a action, but the casting a second "Shield" would not add to the already cast Shield

I agree for future game supplements not to place a "Shield Spell" in a scroll but when you are running past supplements you will have scrolls with Shield

plus if you never but the Shield spell on a scroll the Wizard would almost never find the spell shield except in a dead wizard spell book
 
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Someone in another thread mentioned that the scroll rules have received errata in a more recent printing of the Dungeon Master's Guide so that using a spell scroll is always the same type of action as casting the spell on it would normally be.
 

Athinar

Explorer
That means I can take a scroll out and cast it as a Reaction, does not make common sense (not in the Player's Handbook Errata, nor in the Sage Advice Compendium Nov 15)
 
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That means I can take a scroll out and cast it as a Reaction, does not make common sense (not in the Player's Handbook Errata)
I may have misread the post in question, and I can't remember what thread it was in so we'll likely have to wait until this month's Sage Advice to see for sure - however, game rules don't have to "make common sense", they just have to make playing the game possible.
 

SnakeEyes097

First Post
EDIT: As my girlfriend pointed out, it takes an action to use a scroll (DMG p. 200) so in this case I would have the scroll rule supersede the spell rule. I'd say in this case he'd have to use the scroll in advance.
"If the spell is on your class's spell list you can use an action to read the scroll and cast its spell effect."

I would probably not use reaction spells as scrolls, and if they are given out in the adventure I would likely change it to something similar, such as a Scroll of Mage Armor.
 
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Mercule

Adventurer
It gets dicey. I don't know that there's anything really unbalanced about allowing it as a reaction, assuming you already have it in hand. It just feels weird. I just can't envision reading a scroll as a quick-cast activity.

Thinking through it, what does make sense is to allow it as a readied action. If you see a guy you know has a wand of magic missiles, you can whip out the scroll and have a stand-off with him. Not the most productive of encounters, but I could see it in some circumstances.
 

Athinar

Explorer
So I would say, if you had the scroll out you could use it with the Reaction

so during you action or move take the scroll out, you can cast a cantrip (Action) then in the "Reaction" use the scroll

A reaction is an instant response to a trigger of some kind, which can occur on your turn or on someone else’s.

You can also interact with one object or feature of the environment for free, during either your move or your
action.
Here are a few examples of the sorts of thing you can do in tandem with your movement and action:
Withdraw a potion from your backpack

http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/rules-answers-september-2015

For you to meet a spell scroll’s requirement, the spell on the scroll needs to be on whatever spell list is used by your class. Here are two examples. If you’re a cleric, the spell must be on the cleric spell list, and if you’re a fighter with the Eldritch Knight archetype, the spell must be on the wizard spell list, because that is the spell list used by your class.
 

thalmin

Adventurer
Someone in another thread mentioned that the scroll rules have received errata in a more recent printing of the Dungeon Master's Guide so that using a spell scroll is always the same type of action as casting the spell on it would normally be.
I had posted about the new DMG. Here is the section to which you are referring (from page 200 DMG)
Casting the spell by reading the scroll requires the spell's normal casting time. Once the spell is cast, the words on the scroll fade, and it crumbles to dust. If the casting is interrupted, the scroll is not lost
But taking the scroll out is a separate "interact with object"
 
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Athinar

Explorer
I had posted about the new DMG. Here is the section to which you are referring (from page 200 DMG)

But taking the scroll out is a separate "interact with object"
So I would say, if you had the scroll out you could use it with the Reaction
so during you action or move take the scroll out, you can cast a cantrip (Action) then in the "Reaction" use the scroll
 


The Wizard can have a boat load of Shield Scrolls
Nowhere near the same size of boat as in prior versions of the game, considering:
A) Only if the group is using the optional rules for making magical items.
B) Only if the wizard is at least 3rd level
C) Only if the wizard has found the formula necessary to create a spell scroll
D) Only as many as the wizard can afford the 50 gp expense and 2 day writing time for each scroll, or has folks helping him to speed up the process.
 

Athinar

Explorer
Formula for crafting spells, never thought of that, with that said you will never find a Spell Scroll with a 9th level on it

I would think that a Wizard could make the formula with some time and Gp, it would be almost like creating a page in the Wizard Book

So does any one know the process to create Formulas?
 

UngeheuerLich

Adventurer
I believe, the scroll is written in a way, that it can be cast easily, with a single word maybe...
it is not less believable than a shield spell being cast as a reaction without preparing for it.

Maybe you jsut have to scream aloud "shiiieeeeld" when you are hit. Maybe it is written in big letters on that scroll and that is all of it.

I never imagined scrolls being read in 6 seconds while also moving and dodging blows to be elaborate texts. The magic is already in it waiting to be released. A different case when the wizard tries to leanr a spell from a scroll. Then the wizard needs to carefully read it without triggering its magic... which may be a lot more difficult.
 

Radaceus

Explorer
ready an action and use the scroll as a reaction.

Kind of defeats the purpose of being able to cast it as a reaction though, for magic missile per se, since you can never be certain when this would occur, which would put you in a constant state of ready an action.

But otherwise, I'd be wary of changing it to be cast as an action, since it requires a triggering effect ( attack)...an therefore would not be effective.

and of course there is always house ruling it~ to be able to be cast as an action, but be a readied action waiting an opponents attack as the trigger~ in which case I would default to reading it as a readied action.
 

Unwise

Adventurer
Because I like the imagery, for a divine based scroll, I'd allow the person to read/pray it, then attach it to their armor, like a Space Marine's or Warhammer Warrior Priest's Purity Seal. The shield would activate on the first remotely legitimate attack they face. It's not balanced, or RAW, just cool.
 

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