RuinousPowers
Hero
Don't want to be led anywhere by you, just refuting your claim that I need to read 48 years worth of comics to assess a character from a TV show.
How do you handle evil?
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Scruffy nerf herder
Toaster Loving AdMech Boi
Yeah don't remind me... Iron Man 3 completely ruined Mandarin.
payn
He'll flip ya...Flip ya for real...
I for one loved Ben Kingsley as the Mandarin!
Scruffy nerf herder
Toaster Loving AdMech Boi
Oh it wasn't Ben's fault. They just completely threw what seemed like 100% of the details about Mandarin out the window.
He's not a super genius of biological science who creates villains. That's the perfect foil for Iron Man, not whatever the heck that was. I can forgive them not making him Chinese, showing his little island country, etc., but they basically sent the message that they couldn't care less about what Mandarin even is or does.
Edit: frankly, that's when MCU lost me. They're making Marvel way too Hollywood, turning nice juicy steaks into flavorless hamburgers.
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billd91
Not your screen monkey (he/him)
I see that quite differently. By developing over a shorter span and with tighter time restrictions, the MCU versions are much more focused and flavorful compared to decades of content that, while occasionally extremely good, is often contradictory and meandering. I can't even follow the X-books any more, they're so convoluted.
Scruffy nerf herder
Toaster Loving AdMech Boi
There are definite pros and cons. MCU doesn't meander around and the comics are a contradictory mess.
But Mandarin was a perfect example of Hollywood minded people saying "all of these good and extremely important and fun details about the character are going out the window". It's using fidelity for toilet paper there wasn't even the suggestion that Mandarin actually creates villains, you know, the entire point of his character, lol, Spiderman bad guys, X-Men bad guys, etc.
billd91
Not your screen monkey (he/him)
See, this just fills me with schadenfreude. I thought them throwing a big change-up like that was a lot of fun.
Enevhar Aldarion
Hero
That was not even the real one. By the end of the movie everyone knew he was a fake. And Shang Chi did a really good version.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
You don't. You're free to assess the fake Hollywood punisher all you want, including calling a serial murderer neutral instead of the evil that he is. You just aren't assessing The Punisher.
payn
He'll flip ya...Flip ya for real...
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
Wow. That was EVIL, and I don't mean the Punisher. I can't believe you made me watch that.
Lanefan
Victoria Rules
Skipped six pages so I'm not sure how this thread arrived at a Hollywood discussion, but:
In my games you can play any alignment you want; as long as any and all in-character arguments, disputes, fights, and disagreements stay in character and don't spill over to the table.
In my games you can play any alignment you want; as long as any and all in-character arguments, disputes, fights, and disagreements stay in character and don't spill over to the table.
BrokenTwin
Biological Disaster
I don't enjoy playing in evil campaigns, and I don't enjoy playing evil characters. I'm a frequent GM, and I refuse to run evil campaigns. I've only played one evil character, and he was very much an "evil helping the good guys against greater evil for personal reasons." But then, I'm also the type of person who can't bring themselves to play the Evil route in the majority of video games that have them.
Having said that, evil characters and campaigns are a perfectly valid playstyle, and I don't begrudge people who enjoy playing those types of games. They're just not for me.
Having said that, evil characters and campaigns are a perfectly valid playstyle, and I don't begrudge people who enjoy playing those types of games. They're just not for me.
Scruffy nerf herder
Toaster Loving AdMech Boi
Two different Punishers. Not sure why there's disagreement when both agree that there are different Punishers.
Scruffy nerf herder
Toaster Loving AdMech Boi
Oh, we were discussing various characters and what makes an evil character. The Punisher was a side tangent but in principle they were trying to discuss what makes a character evil.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
Well, there's still the fact that the TV Punisher is a serial killer who murders people according to his unique personal motivation, which is pretty much the definition of evil.
Scruffy nerf herder
Toaster Loving AdMech Boi
On that account we can definitely agree, the Castle you see on Netflix is plenty evil.
RuinousPowers
Hero
You mean the Marvel-approved Punisher, who is now entering the MCU- which is an authorized Marvel Universe. So, a different Punisher from the comics, but The Punisher nonetheless. I really get the impression that you are the kind of guy that chases women out of comic stores calling them fake fans and demand people list off entire discographies when you see them wearing band t-shirts. Lots of No True Scotsman going on here.
le Redoutable
Ich bin El Glouglou :)
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le Redoutable
Ich bin El Glouglou :)
euhhh do I fall under the no-politics no-religion or the like ??perhaps an Alignment issue
edit: sorry
