How do you RP a Wis: 74 and Cha: 60?

[Trainz]

As I recall, that's a variant in the 3E DDG, with the stats given becoming Avatars, while the standard is that the stats given are the gods.

Oh... then things HAVE changed a lot. In previous editions, the gods themselves were unstated ultimate entities.

So now, an epic PC of level 40 can attack some gods... and win ?

I'm not sure that feels right to me.

 

[HeavyG]

Not really. I flipped around in Faiths & Pantheons, and Chuntea (a greater goddess) only has 50 wisdom and 36 charisma, Tyr has 40 wisdom and 30 charisma, and these are some of the wiser deities out there.

But that's a base score. That's the score they have before they cast a better version of Serpenteye's little spell that grants them, oh I don't know, +60 to all ability score for a week. A spell which they would be casting every morning, if the game world is to have any consistency, because, well, why wouldn't they* ?

Which is my point.


* Well, except for gods who don't have high level spellcasting ability, of course. Those get the 9 iron shaft.

 

[Bendris Noulg]

Oh... then things HAVE changed a lot. In previous editions, the gods themselves were unstated ultimate entities.

So now, an epic PC of level 40 can attack some gods... and win ?

I'm not sure that feels right to me.

Actually, the "ultimate entities" bit was 2E only (not 0E or 1E), and didn't matter much since a deity couldn't leave its realm except in Avatar form. And you could kill a god in 2E, you just had to eliminate any semblance of worship of said deity from every world in the Prime (a theme I'm exploring more fully in my next campaign).

At any rate, while Deities aren't "Epic", they do have certain advantages; They automatically pass (or only have a very slim chance of failing) any Skill check, saving throw, Attack roll, etc., that they may make (IIRC, they only make Attack rolls to see if they get a Critical). I flipped through it at a friend's house one day and decided I didn't like it over-all; Have my own way of handling Deity power (not fully quantified, but essentially works with Divine Levels that provide a Base Bonus to every roll and a Dominion Bonus for the Deity's sphere of influence).

 

[Kalanyr]

Oh... then things HAVE changed a lot. In previous editions, the gods themselves were unstated ultimate entities.

So now, an epic PC of level 40 can attack some gods... and win ?

I'm not sure that feels right to me.

Yes that post of mine was a bit to long , I'll go back and edit it a bit after posting this.

And actually 1e dieties did have stats and were just as killable as the archfiends heck a lot of Demigods and Lesser's were easier to whack than Asmodeous or Demogorgon. It was 2e that introduced the omnipotent diety idea. Which is what lead to Demon Lords and Arch Devils jumping around everywhere in their divine standing causing much cursing and confusing.

As far as it goes I prefer my dieties to be fairly powerful but not infailable entities, the problem with Dieties in 3e is they were designed seperately from the ELH so they lack such things as Epic Spellcasting which would actually allow them to use spells like SE's buffs. Which means its not difficult to come up with ways to make dieties look like total weaklings.

 

[Kalanyr]

Darn you Bendris! Tha was my post!

 

[The Goblin King]

'One of the things they don't tell you about becoming one with the universe is that you don't automatically gain understanding to go with everything you are experiencing.

In the state I'm in now, whatever "now" means to someone like me, a great many things flash by that are just mysteries to me. [ . . . ] Here's a mind open to me, filled with thoughts as complex as my own were back when I lived in just one body and one moment at a time. And not a single one of them is comprehensible to me:no recognizable language, words, sensory input, anything. Is it someone insane? Is it a mind that was never human? Unless I neglect other duties, I cannot get any sense that I'll ever know.

Another thing they don't tell you is how much of the trans-temporal world is symbolic. I sometimes feel like the whole universe turned out to be a theologian or poet or a Hermetic or something. Its not even contextualized or adaptive symbols, a lot of the time; it's deriving its manifestations from layers of existence still further removed from normal experience then mine. It's a good thing I always liked riddles and puzzles, I suppose, as I spend much of my awareness deciphering the flow of usually cryptic symbols around and through me.

I struggle with the terms to express how things change in the realms outside time. I live in the midst of what living magi call Correspondence, the network of connections that have nothing to do with physical location. I used to manipulate these bonds unconsciously, then consciously as (if I do say so myself) one of the best hackers and social engineers of the twentieth century, and now as intimately and directly as I did my own body. I escaped out of mundane existance into something like the universe's operating system. Speaking of the past and future doesn't really do justice to it, but then the whole human mind is built to live in time rather then eternity. I could invent new terms, but then I would just have to explain them to you anyway.' -- Dante on the subject of being an Oracle, Judgement Day, by Bruce Baugh