How does Boromir keep fighting?

Uller said:


Maybe I'm misinterpritting what you're saying here (given the poor gramer), but if I am understanding what you seem to be saying

Sorry for my lack of skill at the english language and in the use of smilies. It was a joke. Or maybe not, because I heard a lot of giggles in the cinema at that point.
 
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Boromir is a very high level fighter. He has a very high Con, Str and Dex. His feats included Combat Reflexes, Cleave, and Great Cleave. When he downs one orc with another running close, he gets an extra hit on another one near. All these rules for cleaves and attacks are abstract, so it would not be too difficult to have an extra cleave attack look like just another sword attack.

On another note, I hope you have read the book as well as watched the movie. Boromir in the book had far more arrows stuck in him. I believe he was stuck with around 20 arrows in the book and was breaking them off while fighting. He also downed many more orcs than he did in the film.

Boromir was the greatest warrrior in the Kingdom of Gondor, the greatest human kingdom in all the lands of Middle Earth. Boromir was an epic level fighter capable of fighting prowess second only to possibly Aragorn and Legolas, if that.

Though overall I enjoyed the film, the battle with Boromir rather disappointed me. In the book, the orcs were so fearful of Boromir that they dared not even approach him even while he is barely alive and stuck with enough arrows to kill a 20 men. No orc even thought for one moment to stay behind and risk Boromir rising again for one last killing spree. I felt it was disrespectful to the Boromir character to have Aragorn have to save him. Boromir just didn't need saving, and I had hoped they would have stuck closer to the book. I guess they wanted one more action scene.

Boromir was one of my favorite characters in the book. I wish they could have kept more to the book battle than they did. I wanted to see Boromir cut down so many orcs that they refused to engage him in melee battle. Then about 10 orc archers would have started to pepper him with bow shots causing him to rush and kill more orcs. His horn would have been cleaved by some lucky blow struck by an orc who quickly died. Then they would have taken the hobbits, while Boromir was near dead but still standing glaring at the orcs. They would not have come near him out of fear.

I just hope they do Eowyn properly in the next two movies. She is also one of my favorite characters. I wait to see the scene where she defies the leader of the Nazgul to protect her fallen king. One of my favorite parts in the whole book. Brings tears to my eyes everytime I read it.
 

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Celtavian said:


I just hope they do Eowyn properly in the next two movies. She is also one of my favorite characters. I wait to see the scene where she defies the leader of the Nazgul to protect her fallen king. One of my favorite parts in the whole book. Brings tears to my eyes everytime I read it.

I am not sure that they keep Eowyn. I heard that Arwen appears in Two Towers, too. I am not sure they would swap Eowyn for Arwen but I don´t know any other character they could possibly.
 

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Sarellion said:


I am not sure that they keep Eowyn. I heard that Arwen appears in Two Towers, too. I am not sure they would swap Eowyn for Arwen but I don´t know any other character they could possibly.

Eowyn is in, and is being played by Miranda Otto (noted Austrian actor, like Cate Blanchett).
 

Uller said:
Yes, even in real life you could have an arrow sticking out of your breast and be relatively okay. I have a friend who worked in an ER and he said a patient WALKED into the ER with 13 gun shot wounds including several to the chest. Some people are just amazingly tough...
Slightly on this topic:
Several years back, as a pedestrian, I got hit by a car who ran a red light, slammed up on the hood and rolled off the car onto the asphalt. The car kept going. I got up, dusted myself off, and walked the 10 blocks to the police station. The duty sergeant was very surprised when I said I had just ben hit by a car. Stupidly, didn't go to the hospital 'til the next day...very sore that day. Fortunately, only bruises. Never foud the b!^#c who hit me though.

Edit: Corrected time frame
 
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Hammerhead said:
Boromir can't have Remain Conscious. It requires Iron Will. As can be seen by Boromir's corruption by the ring, he didn't have Iron Will.

Apparently, he got Great Cleave instead.

I see LotR as running off the WP/VP system. He took a crit, resulting in wound damage, but not enough to kill him. Then he runs down the death spiral, as the penalties allow the orc to continue putting arrows into him and causing more wound damage.

Didn`t he get his save when he refused the imaginations of the ring, not earlier.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Edena_of_Neith


In more Real Life terms, Boromir went into Battle Shock.
In battle, warriors are known to have been able to continue fighting, long after they sustained mortal wounds - and, for that matter, wounds that should have immediately incapacitated them, like hits to the heart, liver, kidneys, or major arteries.
Whether it was shock or something else, those warriors fought on, long after they should have gone down.

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I would call it (besides Battle shock) sheer determination, people for which he felt responsible were in grave danger, through his own fault, failings and shortcomings in ihis point of view, and so he would do what he haedto do or die trying.
If it`s possible or not didn`t matter, not in the last.

I see him as somebody who was tricked in the trap of the ring by his feelings an´d duties.
He feel himself responsible for the people of Gondor, his duty was to protect them, and in his fear for them, and in his pride he didn`t saw the danger, and so he tumbled in the trap.
But he refused to succumb to the shadow.

Aragorn spoke from his great and glorious victory, meaning this.
 

This reminds me of a rule I used to use in an old campaign called "heroic death". Whenever a character died, and the character was well-played - I would reward the player with a "heroic death" round.

In 3e terms that would mean that the character was Hasted and automatically rolled 20 on any and all dice rolls for a single round.

He could do or try anything (except of course saving himself) with heroic results. Then he would die.

I would also allow "dead" characters to give a final farewell speech at the end of battle (if that's what they wanted)- nobody ever took me up on that one, though.

Of course - getting killed in a trap didn't really offer much of a chance sometimes (although he might save the rest of the party from the trap through some final act)
 


Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Endurance, Toughness, Iron Will, Remain Conscious

Yes he can have Iron Will, he lost an Ego battle with the One Ring is all.
 

LoneWolf23 said:
I have nothing against actual gay relationships between characters, but please, people, can we stop automatically assuming that hidden homosexual content is found in every series? :mad:

I agree completely. I was totally floored when a friend told me he liked "The Phantom Menace" but didn't like the "special" relationship between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon.

I was like, "Whaaa?" He went on to make some stupid jokes about using the Force and such.

Where do people get this stuff from? :rolleyes:
 

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