How does Boromir keep fighting?

[MasterOfHeaven]

I have to agree with Celtavian. They really shafted Boromir in the movie. Aragorn having to "rescue" him was so stupid. I understand Peter Jackson had to make some changes to the book to make it a good movie, but that is inexcusable. Aragorn should've come upon Boromir after the Orcs had already run off, with piles of them slain at Boromirs feet.

I'd also agree Boromir was just as powerful as anyone else in the Fellowship, bar Gandalf. He was the greatest warrior in the entirety of Middle Earth, though that's not really reflected well in the movies.

 

[hong]

I have to agree with Celtavian. They really shafted Boromir in the movie. Aragorn having to "rescue" him was so stupid. I understand Peter Jackson had to make some changes to the book to make it a good movie, but that is inexcusable. Aragorn should've come upon Boromir after the Orcs had already run off, with piles of them slain at Boromirs feet.

The orcs _had_ already run off, and there _were_ piles of them at Boromir's feet.

 

[Dragongirl]

I'd also agree Boromir was just as powerful as anyone else in the Fellowship, bar Gandalf. He was the greatest warrior in the entirety of Middle Earth, though that's not really reflected well in the movies.

I would hardly agree with that, he was certainly less powerful than the noldor elves of the 1st age and the early Dunadan. I also believe Aragorn was more powerful than Boromir.

 

[MasterOfHeaven]

I would hardly agree with that, he was certainly less powerful than the noldor elves of the 1st age and the early Dunadan. I also believe Aragorn was more powerful than Boromir.

Really? Did you miss the part where I said "In the Fellowship"? I'm not talking about the entire world and it's entire history, few if any could match the power of the Noldor Elves of the First Age. I'd disagree that Aragorn was more powerful than Boromir, by the by. If you can give me a few reasons why you think he's more powerful, I'll debate the issue with you.


Hong:

Oh? I seem to remember a few Orcs at Boromirs feet, (Boromir only killed 6-10 Orcs from what I saw) not piles of them. Furthermore, I also seem to recall an Orc about to fire an arrow into Boromirs face right before Aragorn shows up. Hardly representative of what happens in the book.

 

[Dragongirl]

Really? Did you miss the part where I said "In the Fellowship"? I'm not talking about the entire world and it's entire history, few if any could match the power of the Noldor Elves of the First Age.

Sorry, when you said "He was the greatest warrior in the entirety of Middle Earth" I wrongly inferred you meant ever.

I'd disagree that Aragorn was more powerful than Boromir, by the by. If you can give me a few reasons why you think he's more powerful, I'll debate the issue with you.

This is mostly my opinion that Aragorn was more powerful than Boromir. Not only my opinion but at least also of Iron Crown Enterprises when they made their version of RPG rules. They made Boromir 20th level and Aragorn 36th. I have not seen the new rules that came out to see their opinion on the matter. Unfortuneatly the only person that could truly settle this has been dead for several decades. Why is your opinion that Boromir was greater than Aragorn?

 

[hong]

Oh? I seem to remember a few Orcs at Boromirs feet, (Boromir only killed 6-10 Orcs from what I saw) not piles of them.

Go back to the scene where Aragorn rushes over to check on Boromir, after killing Lurtz. There are literally heaps of bodies all over the place.

Furthermore, I also seem to recall an Orc about to fire an arrow into Boromirs face right before Aragorn shows up. Hardly representative of what happens in the book.

In the book, Boromir lies dying when Aragorn finds him. The only license that was taken was to have an uber-orc (with more plot immunity than the rest) around to provide a fitting climax to the battle.

Your issue seems to be that that fitting climax didn't involve Boromir. Oh well.

 

[MasterOfHeaven]

Sorry, when you said "He was the greatest warrior in the entirety of Middle Earth" I wrongly inferred you meant ever.



This is mostly my opinion that Aragorn was more powerful than Boromir. Not only my opinion but at least also of Iron Crown Enterprises when they made their version of RPG rules. They made Boromir 20th level and Aragorn 36th. I have not seen the new rules that came out to see their opinion on the matter. Unfortuneatly the only person that could truly settle this has been dead for several decades. Why is your opinion that Boromir was greater than Aragorn?

Boromir was supposedly the best warrior of the greatest Human Kingdom in Middle Earth. He fought against the armies of Mordor nearly constantly, and IMO had more experience than almost any other man in the world. Aragorn is close, perhaps equal to Boromir in fighting power, but he's certainly not better. The thing that makes Aragorn a stronger person than Boromir is his greater willpower and leadership capabilities. But as far as sheer fighting power goes, Boromir is definitely the best.

Hong:

I don't think there was any more than fifteen Orcs on the ground in that scene. I'd have to check to make sure, though. And my issue with the scene is that, originally, Boromir makes a valiant last stand, crushing Orc after Orc, trying to save Merry and Pippin, and even when he's practically got no life left in him, the Orcs are so afraid of him they just get the hell out of there.

In the movie, Aragorn has to "save" Boromir, which is the whole issue I have with the scene. Boromir shouldn't have to be "saved", he was perfectly capable of taking care of his last stand by himself.

 

[hong]

I don't think there was any more than fifteen Orcs on the ground in that scene. I'd have to check to make sure, though.

Sheesh. Does it really matter if it's 15 or 150? One guy killing 15 orcs is still a superhuman effort by most standards.

And my issue with the scene is that, originally, Boromir makes a valiant last stand, crushing Orc after Orc, trying to save Merry and Pippin, and even when he's practically got no life left in him, the Orcs are so afraid of him they just get the hell out of there.

This isn't made explicit in the book. There, all that happens is that Boromir kills a lot of orcs, but eventually goes down. It's quite possible that they may have wanted to butcher him, but were told to get a move on by their leaders once they'd got the halflings -- as happened in the film.

In the movie, Aragorn has to "save" Boromir, which is the whole issue I have with the scene. Boromir shouldn't have to be "saved", he was perfectly capable of taking care of his last stand by himself.

And he did. He died, just like in the book.

 

[Dragongirl]

Boromir was supposedly the best warrior of the greatest Human Kingdom in Middle Earth. He fought against the armies of Mordor nearly constantly, and IMO had more experience than almost any other man in the world. Aragorn is close, perhaps equal to Boromir in fighting power, but he's certainly not better. The thing that makes Aragorn a stronger person than Boromir is his greater willpower and leadership capabilities. But as far as sheer fighting power goes, Boromir is definitely the best.

Well, Aragorn has been fighting evil all his life as well, and he is quite a bit older. By the time of the War of the Ring Boromir is about 41 while Aragorn is about 88. Well I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

Edit : Corrected Typo

 

[mirzabah]

Alright in the vain of Describe how Aragorn beat the Ringwraiths, I present another question to you? How does Boromir keep fighting, and killing those Orc's while he's defending Merry, and Pippin, using Dungeons and Dragon's rules.

These questions are sooo lame. It should be obvious to anyone that Boromir wasn't using d20 rules. He was quite clearly using the Buffy the Vampire Slayer RPG rules and simply spent Drama Points on the "I think I'm OK" option. This only halves Life Point damage, so eventually he got taken to below -10 and failed his Survival roll. He then used the "Famous Last Words" rule to confess to Aragorn about trying to take the ring from Frodo. It's all really quite straightforward.