WOIN How does one apply a -1d6 penalty to shaking off a condition?

[TheHirumaChico]

Hi again. In the WRRD list of Weapon Traits, there is the following entry: "Vicious. Some weapons are barbed or jagged; conditions from such weapons are harder to shake off, and inflict a –1d6 penalty to attempts to do so." I know I've seen a couple of similar sentences recently, but this was the first one I could locate this evening. How does one apply a -1d6 penalty to shaking off a condition? IIRC, a condition can normally be shaken off by spending one action and rolling 1d6, on a 5 or 6 the condition ends.

 

[Morrus]

Hmm. Does it say that in the book also?

 

[TheHirumaChico]

Hmm. Does it say that in the book also?

Yes, OLD 1.2 p. 82 says the same thing for the Vicious trait. In NOW 1.2 on p. 87 it has a different description for the Vicious trait: "Vicious. Some weapons are barbed or jagged; conditions from such weapons are more dangerous, and inflict the severe version of their related condition." There is no mention of the Vicious weapon trait in NEW.

 

[Belisarion]

There is actually only one weapon in all the three books with the Vicious quality, the Flamberge. I would prefer the severe version, would make more sense from the description.
Otherwise if a -1d6 is applied on the conditio roll, that condition would be extremely hard to shake of, you would have to roll a 6 and on the -1d6 a 1 which might be a bit too harsh?

 

[TheHirumaChico]

There is actually only one weapon in all the three books with the Vicious quality, the Flamberge. I would prefer the severe version, would make more sense from the description.
Otherwise if a -1d6 is applied on the conditio roll, that condition would be extremely hard to shake of, you would have to roll a 6 and on the -1d6 a 1 which might be a bit too harsh?

I'm not sure I follow that calculation, sorry Belisarion. What are rules for needing to roll a 5 or 6 on 1d6, and then getting a -1d6 penalty to that roll? Is that situation explained in the WOIN rules somewhere?

 

[lichmaster]

I'm not sure I follow that calculation, sorry Belisarion. What are rules for needing to roll a 5 or 6 on 1d6, and then getting a -1d6 penalty to that roll? Is that situation explained in the WOIN rules somewhere?

I think he means that first you roll 1d6 to shake off the condition, but then you subtract 1d6 for the penalty, and the difference has to be 5 or 6 as normal. Hence, you need to roll a 6 with the first roll and a 1 with the second to score a total of 5, the bare minimum but also the best you can do. This means that you can shake off the condition only 1/36 times, which is way too low IMO.

I think the 1d6 penalty to shake off the condition is a leftover from a previous version or draft. It makes more sense to say that it can only be shaken off with a 6, as it happens with other conditions and exploits

 

[Belisarion]

I think he means that first you roll 1d6 to shake off the condition, but then you subtract 1d6 for the penalty, and the difference has to be 5 or 6 as normal. Hence, you need to roll a 6 with the first roll and a 1 with the second to score a total of 5, the bare minimum but also the best you can do. This means that you can shake off the condition only 1/36 times, which is way too low IMO.

I think the 1d6 penalty to shake off the condition is a leftover from a previous version or draft. It makes more sense to say that it can only be shaken off with a 6, as it happens with other conditions and exploits

Exactly what I meant. Considering that there is only one weapon in all three core books affected it might not be of significance. But would be nice to know for future/homebrew weapons, @Morrus .
I like the idea of only a 6 on a 1d6 roll shaking of the condition very fitting.

 

[TheHirumaChico]

Exactly what I meant. Considering that there is only one weapon in all three core books affected it might not be of significance. But would be nice to know for future/homebrew weapons, @Morrus .
I like the idea of only a 6 on a 1d6 roll shaking of the condition very fitting.

I also like the idea of Severe meaning that the condition can only be shaken off with a roll of 6 on 1d6, but as per this thread, it seems that is not what is currently/officially meant by a Severe condition.

 

[BlckKnght]

I'm pretty sure the -1d6 language is a holdover from the 1.1 days, where you needed to roll an attribute test (usually END or WILL) to shake off a condition.

 

[Morrus]

Yeah, it should be -1. As in you need to roll a 6.