TrippyHippy
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....also, they really ought to have a bigger HD than d8 in my view. They should be D10, like fighters - and possibly even have a damage resistance ability at higher levels.
Nope, my point is about the Monk, specifically (though there have been a few other classes that it might also apply to). The Monk archetype is a culture-specific one - to be uncharitable, it's not even cultural so much as the mis-perception of cultures sometimes labeled 'orientalism.'If your point is that "all classes can be reduced to some combination of fighter, rogue, and spellcaster" that's all well and good, but it's fairly antithetical to D&D class-based design.
Fine. If you have some reason to think that I am wrong that is not a simple anecdote and does in fact reference the rules, I'd be delighted to see it. But all you've offered is anecdotal evidence about how you liked a class that was notoriously crap.
This is obviously a personal thing, and you seem to be taking it personally, really not a big deal, you think the 1st Ed monk is crap ("notoriously", in your opinion), and I think's it'a good (just needs improvement, IME).
No need to get all ornery (we don't have to agree).
But you are currently trying to undermine any sort of discussion by making it personal.