How many chumps can a Lvl 20 Barb take?

[Jdvn1]

If you have 800 archers, all shooting at the barbarian, you're getting 800 attacks a round. If you hit on a 20 half of the time, that's 20 successful attacks a round. At 1d8 damage, the barbarian is taking 90 damage per round.

I think your numbers are WAY off. At best, the barbarian is going to live about 5 rounds, 6 tops.

Remember a 20th level Barbarian has DR 5/-. On average, those guys are doing 0 damage.

 

[Jdvn1]

Con 37 (20 + 5 + 6 amulet + 6 mighty rage). DR 6/-1 (5+ barb feat that gives 1 more DR).

Oh, DR 6/-. That's even better. I thought a 20th level Barbarian got a +8 to Str and Con, though.

 

[TerraDave]

Why is a 20th level character dealing with fodder? Seems like a job for the barbarian's army to deal with.

There are oh so many threads now on just who's job it is....and not a lot of consensus

 

[FreeTheSlaves]

Barbarian in a 5' tight ravine vs the Persian army.

Barbarian hits 95% doing enough to kill & greatcleave but faces only 1 at a time, so every round he kills 2 Persians. Persian hits 5% of time for 4.5 average damage. I can't be bothered to factor in the 5% success of the 5% critical confirmations (0.00?).

Barbarian has ((12+19d12+100=235)+80 raging) = 315hps

(315hp/4.5=70s hit to kill him)*20attacks to score a hit = 1400 Persians

1400 Persians have to face him to kill him but he is killing 2 for every 1 that faces him so double that to (2800-1 because the last one lives) = 2799 Persians.

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DR5? Well that changes things.
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Unfortunately King Darius of the Persians has an army of 200,000 & doesn't notice his losses, until DR5 takes effect and then all 200,000 perish in one day.

 

[Stalker0]

Whoa lots of comments:

1) I chose bows because it is much easier to model. If he was melee I'd have to account for movement across the battlefield, archers moving away, AOO's etc etc. ITs much easier just to show a shooting match.

2) Yes, keep in mind the 50% displacement, as well as the DR...the barb can take a lot of punishement

3) I chose a barb because I was curious.

4) If the barb has fast healing 1, he can take on about 840 guys, with fast healing 3: 1106

5) As for the numbers, its that auto hit on a 20, you have enough arrows flying at one guy for 100 or so rounds he's going to be racking up the damage. Speaking of which, the fight with the 714 archers takes about 126 rounds to finish.

6) I made a mistake with the mighty rage...its been corrected, so 714 guys.

 

[jgsugden]

No, the archers are not doing 0 damage on average. They are doing an average of 0.375 points of damage on a hit. Averaging out a little, that requires about 1050 hits to take him down. If you factor in the displacement and the needing a 20 to hit, it will take about 42,000 attacks for the archers to take him down. Barb gets 6 shots a round and hits 95% of the time, each for a kill, resulting in 5.7 deaths per round.

Using that I come out to roughly 670 archers being needed to take the barbarian down, and it taking slightly over 11 minutes ... if all 670 archers have a shot at him.

OTOH, if the barbarian goes into melee and has the right feats, he may be able to kill far more than 6 melee foes per round. When great cleave, combat reflex and a high dex all come into play, you might see this same barbarian be able to take out 2000 or more simple foes.

 

[Stalker0]

jgsu, don't forget you have to factor in that as the archers are killed their number of attacks goes down, I factored that into my analysis.

 

[FreeTheSlaves]

Longswords do 1 to 8 but for DR5 they do:

0,0,0,0,0,1,2,3 = average 0.75 damage

Criticals occur for 5% of hits, which are confirmed 5% of the time, doing *2 damage.

(0.05*0.05)*2 = 0.005
0.75*1.005 = 0.75375 average damage

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Back to our pass:

(315hp/0.75375 = 417.91 have to hit to kill him) * 20 attacks to score a hit = (8358.21 Persians*2) = (16716 - 1) = 16,715 Persians are killed, leaving 183285 remaining.

One of which will have levelled to 1 XP short of level 3.

 

[Jdvn1]

Longswords do 1 to 8 but for DR5 they do:

0,0,0,0,0,1,2,3 = average 0.75 damage

It's DR 6/- (due to a feat mentioned in the original post), though, which makes it 0,0,0,0,0,0,1,2 = average .375 damage. Also, the Barbarian has an armor of Heavy Fortification (also mentioned), so there are no crits.

 

[Jdvn1]

4) If the barb has fast healing 1, he can take on about 840 guys, with fast healing 3: 1106

I think with fast healing 3, he can go forever assuming he has food and arrows.