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5E How many fans want a 5E Jester

Do you want a 5e Jester?

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 22.9%
  • No

    Votes: 47 67.1%
  • Bland food product

    Votes: 7 10.0%

  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .

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S

Sunseeker

Guest
Hmmm, Bard, Noble background, RP as a goofball.

Subclass? We don't need no stinking subclass!
 

EzekielRaiden

Explorer
BOOO Hiss BOO... we get enough BS bad mouthing of the class in other threads...
Exactly what I was thinking. And people wonder why Warlord fans feel antagonized...

As for the actual topic:
1. I'm skeptical of needing a base class, but open to the suggestion if someone wants to present one.
2. I really like the Bard subclass suggestions made thus far. Turning juggling into an offensive art is a brilliant idea, and this capitalizes on what is available.
3. Ideally, I could see an article, possibly in EN5ider, with the whole spectrum: a collection of backgrounds (Court Fool, Circus Performer, Mime?), a new Bard subclass (College of Jesters), and, for those who want a no-magic class, either a spell-less Bard (which would thus be 50% or more of the way to "new class" anyway) or just a straight-up Jester. Not for everyone, just like the Chaos Sorcerer isn't for everyone, but still interesting and potentially worth playing without being OP or useless.
 


I'm A Banana

Potassium-Rich
If you wanna have a tiff about the warlord, there's like a million other threads you can go tiff on. This one is not about warlords.
 

We absolutely need a jester class.

It's a classic class with a long history in the game that goes back all the way to 1st Edition. 1982 even, so early in the lifespan of the Edition. There were jester kits for 2e and numerous attempts at a 3rd party jester class for 3e and even 4e.
Unlike so many other classes (warden, warlord, invoker) there is a firm legacy of the jester in history in literature. They're archtypal. It's instantly evocative, conjuring up mental images of costumes and gags. Jesters are arguably moreso than classes like the monk or sorcerer. Jesters were found across Europe and even in other nations, such as the Taikomochi of feudal Japan. Jesters are part of the Tarot and found in paintings throughout history. There are jesters in works as classic as Shakespeare or Mister Punch and as modern as Batman. Heck, arguably characters like Deadpool fill the role of "jester".

Jesters are also very different from bards. They lack the same focus on magic and might emphasis Dexterity more than Charisma, They also don't have the same lineage of magic; jesters are much more martial/mundane in nature. Jesters are seem less like a class able to buff allies, and more a class that distracts enemies. There's certainly an overlap, but no more than the fighter and warlord, paladin and cleric, or the sorcerer and wizard. If there's room for those, there's room for both a bard and jester.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_jesters
[video]https://youtu.be/6of3kMxV6z4?t=3m[/video]

There are lots of potential subclasses for a jester:
  • Juggler: Skilled at manipulating and throwing small objects
  • Fool: Able to see into the truth of things and speak without drawing attention
  • Tumbler: Adept at rolling, falling, and erratic movements that are used to evade hazards
  • Comedian:Able to induce laughter and incapacitate creatures with jokes
  • Harlequin: Skilled at acrobatics and cartwheels, along with their walking stick/cane
  • Imp: The devil on the shoulder that encourages bad behavior and is full of trickery, deception, and manipulation

The jester is a class with a long history in the game that should be supported. It needs to be supported so Wizards of the Coast can prove their supportive of past Dragon content and not just dismissive of anything not published in a hardcover book.

And best of all jesters can speak the truth in a satirical way to mock the status quo.
 

The jester is a class with a long history in the game that should be supported. It needs to be supported so Wizards of the Coast can prove their supportive of past Dragon content and not just dismissive of anything not published in a hardcover book.
Nitpick: the Jester class appears in the 3e hardback "The Dragon Compendium, Volume 1". And, unlike many other third-party books, that one was 'official' D&D - see the logo on the cover!
 

EzekielRaiden

Explorer
We absolutely need a jester class.

It's a classic class with a long history in the game that goes back all the way to 1st Edition. 1982 even, so early in the lifespan of the Edition. There were jester kits for 2e and numerous attempts at a 3rd party jester class for 3e and even 4e.
Unlike so many other classes (warden, warlord, invoker) there is a firm legacy of the jester in history in literature. They're archtypal. It's instantly evocative, conjuring up mental images of costumes and gags. Jesters are arguably moreso than classes like the monk or sorcerer. Jesters were found across Europe and even in other nations, such as the Taikomochi of feudal Japan. Jesters are part of the Tarot and found in paintings throughout history. There are jesters in works as classic as Shakespeare or Mister Punch and as modern as Batman. Heck, arguably characters like Deadpool fill the role of "jester".

Jesters are also very different from bards. They lack the same focus on magic and might emphasis Dexterity more than Charisma, They also don't have the same lineage of magic; jesters are much more martial/mundane in nature. Jesters are seem less like a class able to buff allies, and more a class that distracts enemies. There's certainly an overlap, but no more than the fighter and warlord, paladin and cleric, or the sorcerer and wizard. If there's room for those, there's room for both a bard and jester.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_jesters
[video]https://youtu.be/6of3kMxV6z4?t=3m[/video]

There are lots of potential subclasses for a jester:
  • Juggler: Skilled at manipulating and throwing small objects
  • Fool: Able to see into the truth of things and speak without drawing attention
  • Tumbler: Adept at rolling, falling, and erratic movements that are used to evade hazards
  • Comedian:Able to induce laughter and incapacitate creatures with jokes
  • Harlequin: Skilled at acrobatics and cartwheels, along with their walking stick/cane
  • Imp: The devil on the shoulder that encourages bad behavior and is full of trickery, deception, and manipulation

The jester is a class with a long history in the game that should be supported. It needs to be supported so Wizards of the Coast can prove their supportive of past Dragon content and not just dismissive of anything not published in a hardcover book.

And best of all jesters can speak the truth in a satirical way to mock the status quo.
Your biting, sarcastic wit excoriates and shames me, and I repent of all my foolishness and transgressions! Please, Jester Canuck, save me from the f--no, no, save me from the mistake I have made, for truly you have shown me that the Fool is RIGHT! How could I have been so blind, to choose as I had before, to fail to see the beauty, the austerity, the majesty of the Jester, and follow some other, heathen path??

Or, y'know, not. Since I kinda already said that the ideal case would be an article, e.g. UA, with support for every possible manifestation of the Jester. MULTIPLE backgrounds, a logical subclass, AND a full class for those who want it and especially if they want it without magic.

Is it really satire when the opinion you're supposedly "mocking" is held, seriously, by someone who already posted? Or is it just mocking that person for their beliefs, whether on this or the obviously-related subject you're actually satirizing?
 
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tuxgeo

Adventurer
Here's a stab at a Bard school:

College of Jesters

Bonus Proficiencies: When you join the College of Jesters at 3rd level, you gain proficiency in Perform and two tools or languages of your choice.

Befuddling Verbosity
Also at 3rd level, you learn to change the speed and cadence of your speech such that you can talk others into strange knots. When trying to influence someone, you may spend one of your uses of Bardic Inspiration, rolling a Bardic Inspiration die and adding the number to either a Charisma (Deception) or Charisma (Persuasion) roll. You must still be able to communicate with the target normally. If you are attempting to sway multiple individuals, the bonus applies against all, if they are all part of the same "audience". This technique is known to offend some people; anyone so swayed is permitted a Wisdom (Intuition) check, an hour after your interaction. . . . <snip>
minor nitpick: Wisdom (Insight), of course. . . .

I would prefer the naming convention proposed by "I'm a Banana": Klown Kollege. (It just speaks to me.)
(Yes, it's a talking banana.)

I wanted to vote "Bland food product," but I finally went with "No" instead, because I don't personally want one.
 

Wuzzard

First Post
This discussion also opens up the possibility of other classes that are archetypes and found in literature throughout history; the shop keep, the inn keeper, the blacksmith, the wench, the village idiot (not to be confused with the jester), the old gaffer, and so on. They all deserve at least UA write ups, with appropriate abilities and combat prowess.
 

shadowmane

First Post
Most of this can be done with backgrounds and the Bard class. Though the subclass presented here looks interesting.
 


MechaPilot

Explorer
I am not familiar with the Jester.

However, I have ran a D&D comedy campaign before. It's a very weird thing to DM for a group where the monk is literally in pajamas and dual-wielding pillows, the fire themed mage is basically farting fire spells, and the rogue sneak attack tickles people. That said, it's also quite fun.
 


Moorcrys

Explorer
I'm all for it! I think it'd be an awesome subclass for the bard.

There needs to be some jester-specific bard spells like summon rubber chicken and hallucinatory poo...
 

BluSponge

First Post
I built a bardic college using this as a chaise. I toned down a lot of the whimsy to make it less jokey. The core of it really plays upon the Valor Bard's ability to wound with words, plus a couple of new features (including something cribbed from 4e's "marks"). I'll post it tomorrow if I get a chance, assuming there is interest. It hasn't been tested, and it was one of my first efforts in building something with 5e, so it could be broken all ways til Sunday. But it made me happy. :)

Tom
 

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