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how much is trained a war mammoth?

calighis

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i priced it at 4500. A young trained elephant is 1000 in the arms and equipment guide so i figure an adult is probably 1500 now set up a ratio against the price of a horse vs a war horse and use the 1500 for the adult elephant as a base rice and it comes out close to 4500.

Jeezus can these things kill bad guys.
a four man 8th level party took on 7 Lhosks and a 3rd level ranger Lhosk and with the elephants help whooped them.
How do I properly measure XP for the inclusion of such an unusual mount? Normally mounts dont count against XP except this guy is just so tough...
I am really beginning to regret allowing the character's to simply purchase him.
Should have made him earn it.
I told the Barbarian he coudl have it at 4500, but i put a caveat on it that if i were to find that its cost was more he would be responsible for paying it off and that the vendor would consider it a down payment.
 
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Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
Try any of these:

- Count the Mammoth as half a PC, and have the party XP split accordingly. (But then, you should probably also allow the Mammoth to advance with the XP he gains...)
- Deduct XP gained from an encounter by the XP the PC would gain for the Mammoth.
- Add a monster of the Mammoth CR to the encounter, but don't reward XP for it. (Or less? After all, the Mammoth still cost a lot of GP... Maybe the extra GP from the monster can compensate?)
- Don't worry. The Mammoth will outlive his usefulness in a few levels, and in the mean time, everyone has a lot of fun.
 

calighis

First Post
Just look at these attack options!!!
At level 7/8 there can no longer be any question about who is the toughest member of the party...
It's Stampy the Mastodon.
I think these are the stats we are using.

ELEPHANT
Size/Type: Huge Animal
Hit Dice: 11d8+55 (104 hp)
Initiative: +0
Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares)
Armor Class: 15 (–2 size, +7 natural), touch 8, flat-footed 15
Base Attack/Grapple: +8/+26
Attack: Gore +16 melee (2d8+15)
Full Attack: Slam +16 melee (2d6+10) and 2 stamps +11 melee (2d6+5); or gore +16 melee (2d8+15)
Space/Reach: 15 ft./10 ft.
Special Attacks: Trample 2d8+15
Special Qualities: Low-light vision, scent
Saves: Fort +12, Ref +7, Will +6
Abilities: Str 30, Dex 10, Con 21, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 7
Skills: Listen +12, Spot +10
Feats: Alertness, Endurance, Iron Will, Skill Focus (Listen)
Environment: Warm plains
Organization: Solitary or herd (6–30)
Challenge Rating: 7
Treasure: None
Alignment: Always neutral
Advancement: 12–22 HD (Huge)
Level Adjustment: —
 


frankthedm

First Post
Well, costs are supposed to go up exponentially, not laterally.

2 HD of wardog cost 75 gp per hit die
3 HD of warhorse cost 50 per hit die,
4 HD of war horse cost 100gp per hit die.
3 HD of Hippogryph cost 1000gp per hit die. Training adds 1000GP
7 HD of griffon cost 1000gp per hit die. Training adds 1500GP
9 HD of flesh golem costs over 2000gp per hit die.

Anything under 5000 sounds like a steal in comparison to other costed MM critters.
 
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Gilladian

Adventurer
You know, there are other things you can do to help the situation.

Maybe the mammoth gets exposed to a disease and becomes ill. They have to go on a quest to find a cleric with a spell that will cure him (normal cure disease works on humanoids, not elephants?)

Maybe the beastie starts looking at every large hairy object as a potential mate? They realize it is time to find a girl mammoth...

It is only an animal. It should be afraid of things that animals are afraid of. Fire, undead, other freaky stuff may send it on a fear rampage, if the character involved fails an animal handling check.

I'm not saying destroy the usefulness of the monster, but cause it to have other repercussions on the characters' lives.

Also, what do the townsfolk think of this monster? Do they feel threatened when the PCs are around? What are they feeding it? How much does that cost? Where does the food come from? Does it require rare foods or supplements?

Have fun with it! Make it an object of roleplay and quirkiness, so fighting isn't the only reason they remember having the beastie...
 

Grymar

First Post
Low AC and 100 hps...it is going to be the focus of some attacks due to its size alone. You want to see a panicked party? Make them start to do handle animal checks because four ogres are hacking the mammoth's legs out from under it.
 

Thurbane

First Post
The Warbeast template from MM2 says 100gp + 75gp/HD for creatures of 4HD or more, so that works out at 1000gp (the template adds 1 HD).
 

Asen

First Post
Yeah, what type of Handle Animal (or Ride?) checks are you having your party make? If you think a horse gets spooked by battle, then you haven't read anything about elephants. Mammoths would have the same problem.

A war animal's only as good as its master. Your party had better have the ability to keep the beast controlled, or else it'll do what so many historical war elephants did--lose the ability to distinguish between friend and foe.
 

Celebrim

Legend
Well, mounts are useful provided you can pass the riding/handle animal checks involved.

Keep in mind that elephants are dangerous even to thier keepers. They are moody and easily paniced animals. Failing a ride or handle animal check can have disasterous consequences.

Also an elephant eats alot of food and doesn't fit easily into doorways. They aren't going to follow you underground either, can't jump, and they are basically afraid of heights.
 


Sigurd

First Post
Feeding and waste

I found this description of the Modern Elephant...

Elephants are bulk feeders and inefficient
processors, and only around 50% of intake is
digested (Benedict 1936). Adult elephants
ingest around 150 kg (330 lbs) of forage every
day, feeding at all times of the day, and hence
dung is abundant (over 100 kg a day) and well
scattered over their daily range (Laws et al.
1975; Sikes 1971).

www.unr.edu/cla/anthro/download haynes_elephantlandscapes.pdf


The realities of feeding and watering the beast should be a serious concern for the party that wants to keep one. The party is also going to be very easy to track.


Sigurd
 


Boarbot 78

First Post
Wait wat? Animals are hella cheap in dnd. Are we talking about 5e here?? The elephant costs just 200GP in the players handbook, and there is no way a mammoth would be more than ten times that. I would price an adult trained mammoth at 2000 for a prime specimen, as they take longer to train than elephants. Also remember they are vulnerable to attacks and useless inside buildings. They shouldn’t be that OP! Only challenge 6! The attacks don’t even do that much. I don’t know what kind of super saen mammoth your party has but if it’s the normal one in the monster manual it really shouldn’t be that op.
 

CapnZapp

Legend
Wait wat? Animals are hella cheap in dnd. Are we talking about 5e here?? The elephant costs just 200GP in the players handbook, and there is no way a mammoth would be more than ten times that. I would price an adult trained mammoth at 2000 for a prime specimen, as they take longer to train than elephants. Also remember they are vulnerable to attacks and useless inside buildings. They shouldn’t be that OP! Only challenge 6! The attacks don’t even do that much. I don’t know what kind of super saen mammoth your party has but if it’s the normal one in the monster manual it really shouldn’t be that op.
Chill :)

First off, this is a thirteen year old thread. Second, it now lives in the Pathfinder subforum.

Since I quite recently discussed the price of mounts, let me set a reasonable price for a PF2 Mammoth: 1,000 gp.

Why? Check out the earlier thread! :)
 

Boarbot 78

First Post
Chill :)

First off, this is a thirteen year old thread. Second, it now lives in the Pathfinder subforum.

Since I quite recently discussed the price of mounts, let me set a reasonable price for a PF2 Mammoth: 1,000 gp.

Why? Check out the earlier thread! :)
Don’t worry! I’m very chill. Sorry if I came across otherwise. Didn’t realise this thread was 13 years old, and also, I had no idea this was about pathfinder. SMH. I’m brand new to this thingy, and that was my first post. I am confusion. Guess I’ll just leave now...
 

CapnZapp

Legend
Don’t worry! I’m very chill. Sorry if I came across otherwise. Didn’t realise this thread was 13 years old, and also, I had no idea this was about pathfinder. SMH. I’m brand new to this thingy, and that was my first post. I am confusion. Guess I’ll just leave now...
No problem. Welcome to the forums and feel free to come by any time :)
 

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