Hello guys, i'm a newbie in the forum and i'm with a great problem in my group... i don't know more how to challenge them... they are indestructible... just in a antimagic field i can put monsters that they have more than a "little" problem to defeat... i need ideas to challenge them, the group is made of a cleric 18, a wizard 10/archmage 3/fatespinner 5, a cleric 17, a rogue 16, a wizard 10/initiate of the seven foil 7 and a druid 18.
How to challenge a high powered group?
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Whimsical
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Have you read the adventure creation advice in the Epic Level Handbook? There are some good ideas there. And monsters.
You know about advancing existing monsters, right?
I recommend Design Secrets: High-Level Adventures by Monte Cook for anyone who is running higher level adventures. It's a different game at high levels and you need to be ready for it. And this is the article that had it all click for me in my head, and I learned how to stop worrying and love the bomb.
The fact is that 20th level adventurers can accomplish certain adventures in a day or two that would take a 15th level party a month to do, and would be impossible for a 10th level party to do. Each "dungeon room" for a 20th level party could have been the entire "dungeon" for a lower level party. And each relevant adventure site could be spread out enormous distances between planes, but it's just a Gate and a Teleport away. They only need to know where to go. So just chart out your adventures as a series of sites where each site only becomes relevant when the previous site reveals clues and information that indicates the next site is important. If there is a big bad evil guy driving the plot, keep his identity secret that only become revealed at the next to the last site. Until then, the party is only fighting his minions and stoogies. When creating adventures for a high level party, I use my experience in writing adventures for a superhero roleplaying game.
And if you are feeling bad about not being able to challenge your party, just understand how much fun it is for the players to finally play some buttkicking superheroes that can finally blast through game elements that they had to struggle with in the past. Now they are the big bad powerful guys in the world.
What has been going on in the campaign lately, plotwise?
You know about advancing existing monsters, right?
I recommend Design Secrets: High-Level Adventures by Monte Cook for anyone who is running higher level adventures. It's a different game at high levels and you need to be ready for it. And this is the article that had it all click for me in my head, and I learned how to stop worrying and love the bomb.
The fact is that 20th level adventurers can accomplish certain adventures in a day or two that would take a 15th level party a month to do, and would be impossible for a 10th level party to do. Each "dungeon room" for a 20th level party could have been the entire "dungeon" for a lower level party. And each relevant adventure site could be spread out enormous distances between planes, but it's just a Gate and a Teleport away. They only need to know where to go. So just chart out your adventures as a series of sites where each site only becomes relevant when the previous site reveals clues and information that indicates the next site is important. If there is a big bad evil guy driving the plot, keep his identity secret that only become revealed at the next to the last site. Until then, the party is only fighting his minions and stoogies. When creating adventures for a high level party, I use my experience in writing adventures for a superhero roleplaying game.
And if you are feeling bad about not being able to challenge your party, just understand how much fun it is for the players to finally play some buttkicking superheroes that can finally blast through game elements that they had to struggle with in the past. Now they are the big bad powerful guys in the world.
What has been going on in the campaign lately, plotwise?
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even a dragon... i was famous here because my dragons were invencible but they destroyed a dragon in two rounds... 455 hp... the BA of the cleric is about +38 and his CA 40... and his is not a muchkin because the player don't get a lot of feats that make him stronger because he don't want to be a overpower... i don't want to kill them... just to challenge them
Rystil Arden
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+38 BASE ATTACK? I hope you mean Attack Bonus. And that attack bonus and AC are not particularly good, compared to what my level 18-20 PCs have...and yet I always manage to challenge them. Throw harder things at them. I made them fight a Prismatic Titan with 7 levels in Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil, which was way above their level in CR, for instancestyker said:
Whimsical
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Has the party been harried by Scry-Buff-Teleport assasination teams yet? Where they wait for one of the party members to be in a vulnerable spot (sleeping, sitting on the pot) buff up, teleport in, then treat him like a railroad spike. That's a good challenge for high level parties. They will then have to develop some scry countermeasures and have some instaescape plans ready.
Rystil Arden
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[Advice]styker said:
Don't use BA when you mean Attack Bonus or CA for Armour Class.
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Throw a Great Wyrm Steel Dragon at them. Its only CR 18 !
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mm/20040328a
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mm/20040328a
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