How to hide from True Seeing?

[Ferret]

Quite hard to hide with, no?

I Agree with Thanee, but I'd rather not press that argument. What about charming the caster or suggesting them to close eyes (is it dismissable?)

Edited to reply to above, Maybe, but could you also see someone elses? would you be effected?

 

[Thanee]

Is somebody with True Seeing still affected by Phantasmal Killer?

Uhm... it's a phantasm.

Bye
Thanee

P.S. Don't read too much (in the sense of too literal) into single terms (like negate) there, please.

 

[qaaral]

But if you have True Seeing on, are you aware that the wizard is invisible? Do you still see illusions, but are aware that they are not illusions?

If True Seeing really functioned like you interpret, Thanee, you should be totally unaware that the wizard in the corner is invisible, or that an illusion exists.

Think about the following scenario: You have True Seeing on. You turn a corner and ten feet in front of you is an illusury wall. If True Seeing simply negated the illusion, you would walk through it, totally unaware of its existence. If, however, you percieve the illusion, but are aware that it is an illusion, then True Seeing has functioned NOT as an illusion-negator, but as an information-gathering spell. You can now impart this information to your companions.

The same with invisibility. If you had True Seeing going, and an invisible rogue was approaching, and if all True Seeing did was negate the invisibility, it might not even occur to you to warn your companions. After all, you are unaware the rogue has invisibility on, he's right there, you can see him. It might take you a while to realize your companions can't. If, however, you are aware that the rogue has an invisibility spell on, you would know to warn your companions, and you could do things like pretend you don't see him to lure him closer. It will have become an information-gathering spell, not a form of counter-magic.

I'm playing a monk with vow of poverty and thus permanent True Seeing and that's exactly how I play it. "Why did you stop following me? Wall, what wall?"

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Nondetection, IMO, still works.

 

[Aubri_]

There's a pretty good argument for mind blank beating true seeing. From the SRD:

This spell protects against all mind-affecting spells and effects as well as information gathering by divination spells or effects.

I know it's been hotly debated ad nauseum around here, but that certainly suggests to me that mind blank trumps true seeing.

Uh.. I don't really see how you can make that case.
Mind Blank
The subject is protected from all devices and spells that detect, influence, or read emotions or thoughts. This spell protects against all mind-affecting spells and effects as well as information gathering by divination spells or effects. Mind blank even foils limited wish, miracle, and wish spells when they are used in such a way as to affect the subject’s mind or to gain information about it [[the mind in question]].

It's pretty clear from the context -- as well as the nature of the spell -- that it simply blocks "information gathering" as in detect thoughts or "I wish I knew the vizir's plot!"

And yes, nondetection would work against True Seeing, but only if they fail the caster level check. Probably not TERRIBLY likely, but it's somthing.

 

[Thanee]

Good point, Aubri.

About Nondetection, I think it's similar to Mind Blank in that way, and I think it doesn't help against True Seeing or See Invisibility for the same reasons, basically, that is, that these spells do not detect a subject.

Of course, I know, that there is a thin line between detecting and enabling someone to detect.

It certainly doesn't break the game either way.

But I still think they should have tagged the spells appropriately, so they could just say something similar to "works against every spell with the ... tag".

Bye
Thanee

 

[Treebore]

True seeing does not impart knowledge upon you, it reveals that which is hidden in some fashion. Revealing that which is hidden is no more an imparting of knowledge given to you by your eyes. Knowledge is gaining an understanding of something beyond what you see.

Mind Blank is all about the mind, hence the use of the word mind. True seeing is all about sight, hence the use of the word sight. yes, there is a connection between the mind and sight, but the mind still functions even when sight is lost.

Some of you just want to make things too complicated and read far more into something than is actually there. No wonder so many spells are too powerful, they are given abiliities they shouldn't have to begin with.

 

[Plane Sailing]

I don't know what you'd think about obscurement as a counter for trueseeing, but pyrotechnics will probably do it as it seems that the spell doesn't make magic smoke as much as magically turns a fire into a cloud of dense smoke.

Just my interpretation of course. The main answer is, as already mentioned, to use the hide skill.

 

[Iku Rex]

Mind Blank is all about the mind, hence the use of the word mind..

[sarcasm]Yeah. Everyone knows that the most important source is the spell name, not the actual spell description.

Before you know it some crazy munchkin will come along and claim that mind blank protects you from arcane eye, as if that didn't involve sight or was a mind-affecting spell...[/sarcasm]

 

[Thanee]

Well, the "mind" part is also in the text as someone quoted and explained above.

About Arcane Eye: It's basically a mobile scrying sensor and against that Mind Blank protects, of course.

Bye
Thanee