How to pump saves at high levels?
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moritheil
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Well, no, that's not the problem. The problem, at least according to my theory of builds, is that all your +s to saves that really help out at epic levels must be acquired at low levels by frantically multiclassing. The reason is that stacking save bonuses gets increasingly expensive as you go up in level - but base save bonuses always stack. If you go into epic with nice +29/+26/+30 saves, you won't have to worry so much about blowing all your money on save gear.
So, getting back to your question, the problem is that you are making a statement like "X class has a poor will save." Think about it. Why are you in that class for more than a couple levels? You're building under the assumption that once you arrive in that class, you'll take it to the end. And that is what's causing you to have suboptimal saves.
FWIW I've never built a fighter-mage I deemed an acceptable character with anything less than five classes. That's not at 20th, that's at whatever level I started playing them at (usually 12th or so.)
I've struggled with this myself. I haven't played a really high-level character yet, but I'm currently playing in an Age of Worms campaign. My ninja 6/assassain 1 has a great reflex save and a decent will save if he has ki power uses left. His Fort save, however, is bad enough to make me worried since a missed Fort save can mean instant death at higher levels. I'm planning on being an assassain 8, ninja 8, swordage 2, fighter 1, and warblade 1 by 20th level. My Fort save will still blow, but I am planning on getting the diamond mind manuever that lets you substitiute a concentration check for a fort save. I plan on having that readied at least twice per encounter. I just hope I don't bite it before I get that maneuver. I might get two levels of dragon disciple if we go epic. I definitely believe that smart multiclassing is the best way to improve saving throws.
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There are a number of feats scattered throughout the books that let you use another stat as your ability. In many cases these are better than the PHB feats like Iron Will, Great Fortitude and Lightning Reflexes.
Check out the Complete books and the PHB II. They've got at least one that typically works in favor of any class looking to boost their poor save. Insightful reflexes might be a good one for a fighter/caster. They typically have decent INT that is boosted through magic items. Plus, it means they don't have to worry about DEX much and can put on that heavy armor. And we all know that most fighter/casters typically struggle the most with their REFL saves, right?
Check out the Complete books and the PHB II. They've got at least one that typically works in favor of any class looking to boost their poor save. Insightful reflexes might be a good one for a fighter/caster. They typically have decent INT that is boosted through magic items. Plus, it means they don't have to worry about DEX much and can put on that heavy armor. And we all know that most fighter/casters typically struggle the most with their REFL saves, right?
pawsplay
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Vest of resistance implies you are wearing a cloak of charisma, and hence, are a sorcerer.
Fig 1/Sor6/Spellsword1/EK 10 yields a base will of +10. Vest of resistance gets you +5. Assuming a 20 Charisma, take Force of Personality, giving you +5 from your ability scores. Carry an item that gives you a +1luck bonus on saves. That's +21 without trying very hard.
If you carry an item that grants a lucky reroll, use mind blank, and cast the spell spell resistance, the chances of you actually needing a good Will save are rather low in the first place.
Fig 1/Sor6/Spellsword1/EK 10 yields a base will of +10. Vest of resistance gets you +5. Assuming a 20 Charisma, take Force of Personality, giving you +5 from your ability scores. Carry an item that gives you a +1luck bonus on saves. That's +21 without trying very hard.
If you carry an item that grants a lucky reroll, use mind blank, and cast the spell spell resistance, the chances of you actually needing a good Will save are rather low in the first place.
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moritheil said:
No im using vest of resistance because my cloak is for a major cloak of displacement.
I took eldrict knight to full becasue its the only class with near full spellcasting progression and full BAB. All the other fighter/mage PRCs are half spellcasting progression.
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