How was X-Men 3 bad?

[Bullgrit]

With the new Wolverine movie, I keep seeing references in this forum to X-Men 3 being a bad movie -- or at least the lesser of the X-series. And no one takes issue with such statements. It's as if "X-Men 3 is bad" is the common wisdom of this board.

I thoroughly enjoyed/loved X-Men 3. Why is it considered bad?

Bullgrit

 

[Agamon]

With the new Wolverine movie, I keep seeing references in this forum to X-Men 3 being a bad movie -- or at least the lesser of the X-series. And no one takes issue with such statements. It's as if "X-Men 3 is bad" is the common wisdom of this board.

I thoroughly enjoyed/loved X-Men 3. Why is it considered bad?

I also agree that it wasn't bad, but I will say it was not as good as the 1st two. There were some plot holes, but it was a decent popcorn movie.

 

[Arnwyn]

Hmmm... I wonder what I, and others, posted in the original thread related to X-Men 3? Whatever it was, that. It's been such a long time since I saw it - and with absolutely no desire to ever see it again - I can't provide details anymore.

In any case, it stunk.

 

[JiffyPopTart]

I had two problems....

1. Juggernaut using a throw away joke line referring to a not-that-funny viral video.

2. Juggernaut looked like a dude...not a juggernaut.

I didn't think it was a bad movie, though.

DS

 

[Klaus]

Let's see: bad writing, bad character development, throwing away a major character for no reason whatsoever (Cyclops), then giving all that character's moments to another one thoroughly unsuited for it (Wolverine), bad choreography (what's with the invasion of Alcatraz, with everyone jumping around? are they Jedi or something?), deaths for purely shock value (again, Cyclops, Professor X), bad costume design (Juggernaut and the entirety of the evil mutants)...

 

[Umbran]

Honestly, my large complaint of the movie was the fact that Phoenix, in theory the central pivot of the movie, got diddly in terms of character development, and that a whole lot of lines seemed to go to Halle Berry - who had just won an Oscar, but who couldn't seem to act her way out of a paper bag.

Basically, as a treatment of the Dark Phoenix saga, it stank.

 

[Mouseferatu]

Let's see: bad writing, bad character development, throwing away a major character for no reason whatsoever (Cyclops), then giving all that character's moments to another one thoroughly unsuited for it (Wolverine), bad choreography (what's with the invasion of Alcatraz, with everyone jumping around? are they Jedi or something?), deaths for purely shock value (again, Cyclops, Professor X), bad costume design (Juggernaut and the entirety of the evil mutants)...

Honestly, my large complaint of the movie was the fact that Phoenix, in theory the central pivot of the movie, got diddly in terms of character development, and that a whole lot of lines seemed to go to Halle Berry - who had just won an Oscar, but who couldn't seem to act her way out of a paper bag.

Basically, as a treatment of the Dark Phoenix saga, it stank.

A combination of these. Not only did it have every problem Klaus mentioned, but they tried to cram three or four plotlines into it--each of which could've carried a movie on its own--and as such, gave such short shrift to all of them that they were all poorly plotted and wasted potential.

Come to think of it, one could easily say that the problems with X3 are almost identical to the problems of Spider-Man 3.

 

[Klaus]

A combination of these. Not only did it have every problem Klaus mentioned, but they tried to cram three or four plotlines into it--each of which could've carried a movie on its own--and as such, gave such short shrift to all of them that they were all poorly plotted and wasted potential.

Come to think of it, one could easily say that the problems with X3 are almost identical to the problems of Spider-Man 3.

Indeed, X3 could have focused entirely on the "cure" theme, possibly with Magneto going all terrorist on the creators of the cure, and let Phoenix rise for a fourth film. That would allow you to develop the characters of Cyclops and Wolverine beyond their pining for Jean.

But after two movies with lots of Magneto, I'd have refrained from using him in X3, in favor of some other villain (Hellfire Club, probably).

 

[DonTadow]

Oh how can i count the ways.

It ranks as the top worst 3 comic book movies of all times. There area lot of reasons why it stunk, but they can all be boiled down primarily to the cast having huge heads by the htird film. The story and script was written to attempt to give every one something to do and made for some incredible inconsidentices and stupidty. Storm, all powerful elemental warrior has a hard time with a speedster? With the ocmbined power and intelligence of the heroes in the end, they could have easily infiltrated the place, but instead seperate just to get extra only me on camera moments. The leader of the x-men dies in a tremendously stupid way that questions how he ever became leader of anything. This of course is done so the real stars get more screen time. The juggernauht was given all the character development of bane.

Arynwyn i got to agree with you. It got pretty much bashed on enworld and its one comic book movie i never want to see again. I'll watch batman 5 on a boring day but will rather read 13th century poetry than watch xmen.

 

[Orius]

I know squat about the X-Men, but I didn't care much for the movie either. Here's why:

Too many mutants. It's like they knew this was going to be the last one, so they crammed all the ones they could into the film. Problem is that few get any real screen time except Wolverine, Storm, and Magneto. So it's hard to really care about any of them when we know squat about them.

Cyclops. Oh yeah cheap kill here, and from what I've read, they bumped the character off to punish the actor for starring in some other film or something. Hollywood executive thinking isn't.

The plot with the mutant cure was resolved unsatisfyingly. We never saw how this guy reacted to his son using his ability to fly to save him near the end.

Actually, the whole Dark Phoenix plot. Not satisfying in its development or resolution.

Come to think of it, one could easily say that the problems with X3 are almost identical to the problems of Spider-Man 3.

I liked Spider-Man 3 though. Though the Venom plot felt a little short, I liked the movie overall.