How would you build a melee wizard?

[Hammerhead]

Thanee is correct. Ghost Touch is one way-it helps you hit ethereal/incorporeal creatures. It doesn't help when you when you're on the ethereal.

Can you imagine the power then? Who needs Blink? Just cast Ethereal Jaunt and ginsu your opponent with a Ghost Touch weapon while he is unable to fight back.

 

[Halivar]

If there is any weapon enhancement in the SRD that allows ethereal creatures to attack material creatures, that enhancement is getting rule-zero'd out of my game. That would be broken beyond all belief (from a balance standpoint).

 

[Thanee]

In 3.5 Ghost Touch doesn't even allow to hit ethereal opponents anymore. It's clarified to work against incorporeal targets only (I guess that was intended in 3.0 already).

Bye
Thanee

 

[apsuman]

Instead of a wizard, could you have a sorcerer instead?

Sorcerers get simple weapons, both the heavy mace and the longspear ar acceptable weapons.

Take a few armor profs and silent spell. Cast all of your spells at a one level penalty.

g!

 

[apsuman]

Also, if sorcerers are permitted, then a dragon disciple would be a lot of fun to play. Unfortunatly, the fun doesnt really start until you have all 10 levels of the class.

I contend (other disagree) that a Sor 6/DD 10 would be a decent combatant and a blast to play.


g!

 

[Pax]

Apsuman, better than that ... Sor(9)/Fighter(4)/Half-Dragon. Same ECL a syour suggestion, with three extra Fighter feats (one less character-level feat, though), and access to Specialisation. Also all martial weapons and armor proficiencies known.

And most or all of the half-dragon goodness the DragDis gives you, to boot.

 

[apsuman]

Apsuman, better than that ... Sor(9)/Fighter(4)/Half-Dragon. Same ECL a syour suggestion, with three extra Fighter feats (one less character-level feat, though), and access to Specialisation. Also all martial weapons and armor proficiencies known.

And most or all of the half-dragon goodness the DragDis gives you, to boot.

All true, but i thought the challange was to make one without the multiclass in to FTR.

 

[Halivar]

All true, but i thought the challange was to make one without the multiclass in to FTR.

Not to mention that a Sor9/Ftr4 half-dragon can only cast level 5 spells. Perhaps a stand up melee character, but mince-meat to a straight wizard of the same ECL.

 

[Pax]

Not to mention that a Sor9/Ftr4 half-dragon can only cast level 5 spells. Perhaps a stand up melee character, but mince-meat to a straight wizard of the same ECL.

Better than a Sor(6)/Dragon Disciple(10) along the lines of Apuman's suggestion. That one can only do third-level spells.

Taken to 20th level, they would be Sor(13)/Ftr(4) Half-Dragon, or Sor(10)/Disciple(10). Taking the actual half-dragon template gives you 3 extra caster levels of Sorceror.

Another option would be Fighter(1)/Sor(6)/Eldritch Knight(10) half-dragon. 15 caster levels, 7th level spells, decent BAB. Or swap the Sorceror levels for Wizard levels, and gt 8th level spells.

But generally speaking ... Dragon Disciple is a waste of time. And it's inclusion in the revised DMG was a waste of page space. >_<'

 

[Hypersmurf]

In 3.5 Ghost Touch doesn't even allow to hit ethereal opponents anymore. It's clarified to work against incorporeal targets only (I guess that was intended in 3.0 already).

Ghost Touch hasn't changed - it only ever worked incorporeal/corporeal, never ethereal/material.

You might be confusing yourself with the unusual wording of 3E Blink, which stated that:

a/ an attacker gets a 50% Miss Chance,
b/ an attacker who can see invisible gets a 20% Miss Chance,
c/ an attacker who can strike ethereal or incorporeal opponents gets a 20% Miss Chance, and
d/ an attacker who can see invisible and strike ethereal opponents has no Miss Chance.

So oddly, if you had a Ghost Touch weapon, you had a 20% Miss Chance whether or not you could see invisible, but if you had a Force weapon, your 20% Miss Chance dropped to zero if you could see invisible.

In 3.5, the "or incorporeal" has been removed from condition c.

-Hyp.