How would YOU change Shadowdark?

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

So, monster goblins can't see in the dark just like Player Character goblins can't see in the dark.

Again, Kelsey has said this is a DM decision. Non-humanoid monsters all can definitely see in the dark. Humanoid monsters are up to the DM.

 

[Arilyn]

Counter Argument: Dolmenwood.

Dolmenwood has gorgeous art. OSE has some great colour spreads too. Anyway, colour art does not get bonus quality points for having colour. Both require skill.

Old school games can go either way and fit the writing.

 

[Faolyn]

@Fenris-77, just an FYI, but when I clicked on your link for Swords of the Serpentine, I got a giant potential security risk/trying to steal your information notice. I tried with two different browsers.

Never mind; I think it's just my computer/virus protection acting weirdly. Your site is probably fine.

Double never mind, since Scribe also had the same problem.

 

[Aldarc]

Dolmenwood has gorgeous art. OSE has some great colour spreads too. Anyway, colour art does not get bonus quality points for having colour. Both require skill.

Old school games can go either way and fit the writing.

I didn't say that color art gets bonus points. I am presenting a counter-argument to the idea that OSR/NuSR books with interior color art should be passed over or somehow against the aesthetic of the genre using Dolmenwood.

 

[Theory of Games]

Completely disagree.

Not only do the black & white art, the writing, and the rules themselves all complement each other perfectly, but the implication that color is somehow inherently superior to black and white, and that the use of the latter equates to "low production quality" is just...just...well, $%#* I don't even know how to respond to that.

I mean, it's a bit like looking at modern architecture and calling it "low production quality" because it lacks marble columns and gold leaf.

EDIT: You, of course, are free to prefer art with color. But it's a bit like your opinion about Vancian magic. It's just an opinion.

Are you mad or something?

Everybody is posting opinions

 

[overgeeked]

Counter Argument: Dolmenwood.

More like the exception that proves the rule. Though, to be fair, OSE also has a few color plates in their books. So maybe Gavin’s the exception that proves the rule.

 

[Scribe]

@Fenris-77, just an FYI, but when I clicked on your link for Swords of the Serpentine, I got a giant potential security risk/trying to steal your information notice. I tried with two different browsers.

I also got this.

 

[overgeeked]

I didn't say that color art gets bonus points. I am presenting a counter-argument to the idea that OSR/NuSR books with interior color art should be passed over or somehow against the aesthetic of the genre using Dolmenwood.

I’m not saying they should be passed over. I’m saying I will almost certainly pass them over. Huge difference.

 

[Scribe]

Counter Argument: Dolmenwood.

Which has a storybook/fantasy style that also is reflective of the setting.

Both Shadowdark and Dolmenwood have styles reflective of what they are trying to be, and work perfectly.

 

[Aldarc]

Which has a storybook/fantasy style that also is reflective of the setting.

Both Shadowdark and Dolmenwood have styles reflective of what they are trying to be, and work perfectly.

Oh, most definitely, but I am not saying that all OSR books need color art.