Hustle

[Greylock]

When a character Hustles, moves x2 speed, do they get an attack? The Combat section of the PHB is unclear and our group can't decide. The Movement chapter says this...

A character moving his or her speed twice in a single round, or moving that speed in the same round that he or she performs a standard action or another move action is hustling when he or she moves. p163

We've been allowing a single attack. You can walk and attack, or run flat out with no attack, but if you just move x2, nothing? We need elucidation...

 

[Brain]

A character has a move action and a standard action.

An attack takes at least a standard action.

When a character double moves, they are using their standard action to move.

So no, they cannot double move and attack (unless they are charging, which is a different thing)

 

[Diirk]

A character moving his or her speed twice in a single round, or moving that speed in the same round that he or she performs a standard action or another move action is hustling when he or she moves. p163

To rephrase for clarity:

A character moving twice his speed in a single round (ie. a double move) is hustling. A character that performs a move action and a standard action in the same round is also hustling.

That simple I think its just pointing out that your actions in combat are in fact not the norm; you don't typically travel 60ft per 6 seconds (or whatever) when you're marching from one place to another.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

When "Hustling" and making a double move - move as a Move action, and a move as a Standard action - you may not make any attacks during a round in which you hustle (though you may still make AoOs).

The text in the movement section of the rules is for determining overland speeds. Somone with a speed of 30' who moves twice in a round has moved 60' in 6 seconds - they are moving at 10' / second, or roughly 6.8 miles / hour. This is that character's "Hustle speed." If, instead, they move 30' (a move action) and attack once (a standard action), they've moved 30' in 6 seconds, or roughly 3.4 miles / hour over the course of the round. However, should it ever become important, what they've really done is move at 6.8 mph for ~3 seconds, followed by something else for ~3 seconds.

EDIT:

To put it more simply, "hustling" means moving at a particular speed across the ground. For your average human, it means moving at ~6.8 miles / hour. If you do that for the entire round, you've used up all of your available actions (a move action and a standard action) and can move 2x your [game] speed (as you initially outlined). You don't get to attack. If you do something else during your round, you still move at ~6.8 miles / hour, but you only move for 1/2 the amount of time, and you therefore move 1/2 as far.

EDIT2:

Note that, in 3rd Ed, "Double Move" was a full-round action, and was equivalent to "Hustling."

Double move [Full][Varies]
Description: A character can move up to double base speed.
The space where a character begins the move is not considered threatened, and therefore enemies do not get attacks of opportunity for a character's move from that space.

Hustle: A hustle is a jog that is movement at about six miles per hour for an unencumbered human. The double move action represents a hustle.

I may be wrong, but I seem to recall the Double Move action actually being called the Hustle action in my 3.0 PHB.

 

[Hypersmurf]

"Hustling" means making a double move - move as a Move action, and a move as a Standard action. As such, you may not make any attacks during a round in which you hustle (though you may still make AoOs).

Uh... I don't think that's accurate.

A character who takes an entire round to move his speed and do nothing else is walking. A character who takes an entire round to move twice his speed, or an entire round to move his speed and take another standard action, is hustling.

The assumption is that everyone hustles in combat all the time. If you want to amble casually in combat, you'd actually have to move at half the normal combat pace.

TACTICAL MOVEMENT
Use tactical movement for combat. Characters generally don’t walk during combat—they hustle or run. A character who moves his or her speed and takes some action is hustling for about half the round and doing something else the other half.

Or in other words, "What Diirk said".

-Hyp.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Uh... I don't think that's accurate.

I do, given the original question.

When a character Hustles, moves x2 speed, do they get an attack?

I can, however, make my answer clearer.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I do, given the original question.

Well, your answer isn't right. 'Hustle' doesn't mean 'make a double move'. 'Hustle' means 'move twice as fast as walking'.

You can double move while hustling (covering twice your speed), or move while hustling and take a standard action (covering your speed). You could, in theory, spend a round walking to travel your speed.

If you hustle and travel your speed, you can make an attack. If you hustle and travel twice your speed (as the original poster posited), you can't make an attack.

But 'hustle' doesn't mean 'double move'.

-Hyp.

 

[Greylock]

The Original Poster thanks everyone for their insight.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

The Original Poster thanks everyone for their insight.

Glad to help!

Even given my original, slightly inaccurate answer ...

 

[dcollins]

I'll point out that apparently this is a change from 3.0 --> 3.5, and an "increasing clutter" one in my opinion. In 3.0 the definition was far simpler:

3.0 PHB p. 127: "A double move represents a hustle..."
3.0 PHB p. 142: "The double move action represents a hustle."