I cheated last game session

[Corsair]

Ratshark!

 

[RichGreen]

Hi,

I'd forget about it and move on.

Cheers


Richard

 

[Sejs]

So... let me get this straight.

You're all level 2-3.

Your DM throws a guy at you that's at least level 9+. 5-missle barrages, teleport, etc. And lets the guy make super-rad escape artist checks that normally take a full minute, on the fly, without you all noticing. And he spits poison needles at you.

You know what? You're fine. Don't give this little episode a second thought.



Oh, and consider either a new DM or sending this one to boot camp, because as-is he's seriously a muppet. Having a hard time telling shinola from that other stuff.

 

[Berandor]

I guess this is one of the issues I really don't want to hurt the DMs feelings. He is a great guy and I know right now he has some unhappy issues at home. He has got a lot of stress dealing with a troubled mentally ill teenager and gaming is his escape it is what keeps him sane.

I don't want to turn the game into one more stressful thing.

Here's the thing: If you feel compelled to cheat because you're annoyed, and if other players kind of agree and decide to take retaliatory action (even if it's in-game), then there'll be tension at the game table no matter what. But it'll be covert tension. People will be annoyed, feel guilty, etc. And it'll make the game stressful. Heck, the DM might feel bad about what happened there, too.

So, especially if you're good friends with each other, put it on the table. Tell your DM that you felt treated unfairly last session, and that you acted in turn by cheating on hit points. Tell him you're sorry and feel bad, but don't hide the fact that you didn't have that much fun by the turn of events.

Maybe the guy will agree. Maybe he's in so much stress that he'd like to play for a while, with someone else DM'ing. Maybe he's in so much stress that he won't listen to reason, and be angry – but if he's a friend, he'll get over it.

You cheated. That's a break of trust. But from what you wrote, the DM didn't seem too trustworthy, either. And you'll have to speak up on both issues to improve the game. Or you can continue cheating, like I did when playing with a certain, really bad DM, who in turn thought everything was swell and I was bored to death.

 

[Elf Witch]

A 14th level character should have WIPED THE @#$*@#$ FLOOR with your rag tag gang of fledgling adventurers.

This tells me a few things

1) The DM was probably expecting you to use stealth/diplomacy/trickery or some other option other than a jail break
2) The DM has a tenous grasp on the ruleset at best and no idea of the CR system.
3) As a group you made no effort to do any investigation as to who might be guarding the jail. A ninth level wizard with Assassin levels would probably be found from a simple gather info check.
4) You did your info gathering and the uber mage guarding the jail didn't come up so the DM is a BOZO.
5) The DM has a tenous grasp on the ruleset at best and no idea of the CR system.
6) A delay poison potion would allow somebody to carry poison darts in their mouth and not worry. (ooh, I might have to have somone do that at some point)
7) In the face of all this you fudged, you feel guilty enough to post, but I bet way down you feel PROVOKED and almost justified. (I'd let it go)

I don't know if the clues were there that breaking in was a bad idea. I'm betting not. I also don't know that you didn't try stealth but "SOMEBODY GOT A FOUR, YOU HEAR ME A GOT A FOUR" on their move silently check and all hades broke loose.

My theory is that the DM is a BOZO with a tenous grasp on the rules and the CR system.

The game started with three NPCs carring a letter from someone my character totally trusts telling us that two of our party had been arrested and were going to be killed in their cells and for us to gather our stuff that we didn't have any time.

The NPCs were the ones who led us into the sewers through secret passages to get under the jail.

We did not have time to gather Info. The NPCs told us that we would come up right into their cell block so our plan was to sneak in let the rogue pick the lock to get them out. We were not planning on killing any ofthe guards.

After we released the our party and had killed and captured the men attacking them in their cells we went and got their belongings and found the real guardsmen slaughtered.

I knew a little about how guards work and I knew that they did not normally have any wizards with them.

As I have said before I don't think the DM really has a grasp of CR this is his first 3E game as DM.

 

[Elf Witch]

Here's the thing: If you feel compelled to cheat because you're annoyed, and if other players kind of agree and decide to take retaliatory action (even if it's in-game), then there'll be tension at the game table no matter what. But it'll be covert tension. People will be annoyed, feel guilty, etc. And it'll make the game stressful. Heck, the DM might feel bad about what happened there, too.

So, especially if you're good friends with each other, put it on the table. Tell your DM that you felt treated unfairly last session, and that you acted in turn by cheating on hit points. Tell him you're sorry and feel bad, but don't hide the fact that you didn't have that much fun by the turn of events.

Maybe the guy will agree. Maybe he's in so much stress that he'd like to play for a while, with someone else DM'ing. Maybe he's in so much stress that he won't listen to reason, and be angry – but if he's a friend, he'll get over it.

You cheated. That's a break of trust. But from what you wrote, the DM didn't seem too trustworthy, either. And you'll have to speak up on both issues to improve the game. Or you can continue cheating, like I did when playing with a certain, really bad DM, who in turn thought everything was swell and I was bored to death.

I sent out an email to the group and the DM a little while ago telling them what I did and why. I also told the DM that I felt that he overplayed the encounter and that it was to powerful for us.

I have heard from the other players ,who feel the same way that the encounter was way over our heads. I was surprised to find out that one of the players knew what I had done but they choose not to point out my math error which is what he thought it was. He felt that the encounter was unfair and that my character should not have had those magic missles thrown at me the way they were. And he felt my character should not have died because of bad DMing.

We will see what the DM says.

 

[Arnwyn]

I think I'm beginning to like these stories about Elf Witch's dysfunctional DM.

Keep 'em coming!

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

As I have said before I don't think the DM really has a grasp of CR this is his first 3E game as DM.

The first of our DMs who made the leap from 2e to 3e did it this way: Pulled out a big old module. Told everyone to show up to the gaming event with three 1st level PCs ready to go.

We went at it that way for a few sessions. We saw plenty of PC deaths. As we expected that to happen, it was more laughed about than traumatic.

I would strongly suggest your DM try to start a low level and work up, until he really gets a hang of it.

 

[Henry]

Long story short, sounds like Elf Witch's group fought a Shadowrun mage -- in D&D.

 

[rgard]

I sent out an email to the group and the DM a little while ago telling them what I did and why. I also told the DM that I felt that he overplayed the encounter and that it was to powerful for us.

I have heard from the other players ,who feel the same way that the encounter was way over our heads. I was surprised to find out that one of the players knew what I had done but they choose not to point out my math error which is what he thought it was. He felt that the encounter was unfair and that my character should not have had those magic missles thrown at me the way they were. And he felt my character should not have died because of bad DMing.

We will see what the DM says.

Sorry to hear the DM doesn't have a clue, but we knew that from your sorcerer spells/familiar thread.

If I was you I would just declare my character dead, the DM already nerfed the character with his silliness in the other thread. Also it sounds like he went out of his way to kill your character during this session. It smacks of a vindictive DM who was trying to teach you a lesson for questioning his ruling on the sorcerer class.

Just quit the campaign or roll up something new.

Thanks,
Rich