I just accidentlied all over the new HIVE! lol

[Relique du Madde]

I love how even after the No more 5e thread moratorium was placed people started doing 6e threads..

 

[CleverNickName]

I love how even after the No more 5e thread moratorium was placed people started doing 6e threads..

I know, right? I haven't been online for nearly three weeks, and when I come back, it's the same old stuff. Apparently I didn't miss much.

It's not that it is impossible to have a good conversation about upcoming editions of the game we all love. But to some people, "let's talk about 5E" sounds too much like "I hate 4E", and them's fightin' words around here.

 

[Relique du Madde]

I agree, but for me it's just wierd that people are thinking about the next edition when this current edition is only like 1 year old. If 4e was open like 3.Xe was then I'd all be fore talking about improvements that could be made, however, since it's not, it all seems like a wasted effort when it's done outside of a homebrewed rules discussion.

 

[Aeson]

Are you people telling me there is a 4th edition of D&D out there? Why haven't heard about this? Is it any good?

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

If 4e was open like 3.Xe was then I'd all be fore talking about improvements that could be made, however, since it's not, it all seems like a wasted effort when it's done outside of a homebrewed rules discussion.

I am not sure how this is relevant, or I don't know what you mean. Just because 3.x had the OGL didn't mean that internet discussions had more or less merit than they do have now, or that they have more or less impact on the next edition of D&D.

Is it any good?

Yes, it rocks.

 

[Aeson]

I am not sure how this is relevant, or I don't know what you mean. Just because 3.x had the OGL didn't mean that internet discussions had more or less merit than they do have now, or that they have more or less impact on the next edition of D&D.


Yes, it rocks.

I don't know if I believe you.

I think what he's saying and I don't want to put words in his mouth but is that it's not open to suggestions from players. Paizo had an open test and listen to the players on their boards. I don't know if that's true. I'd like to think these "patches" they come out with are in response to input from fans. I'd like that as long as it's free.

 

[Aeson]

HR spoke to the property manager about what happened in the parking lot last week. He thought it was an isolated event and didn't warrant an increase in security.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I don't know if I believe you.

I think what he's saying and I don't want to put words in his mouth but is that it's not open to suggestions from players. Paizo had an open test and listen to the players on their boards. I don't know if that's true. I'd like to think these "patches" they come out with are in response to input from fans. I'd like that as long as it's free.

The only real difference is that WotC had a closed playtest and Paizo had an open one. Both have advantages and disadvantages. (Without wanting to say they are "equal". It's possible that overall one of them wins out, though I suppose it is more a question of what your priorities and goals overall are and there is no binary answer.)

But neither WotC nor Paizo started their design in a vacuum and waited for playtest input. They looked at the experience with the game - as they themselves and other players reported, and then started their design. And then they asked playtesters if it actually worked. Even now that D&D 4E is out we see the feedback loop still in action. Errata is created, monster design guidelines are revised, new classes and races take previous experiences into account.
The same will happen with Pathfinder. Or any other game with a constant release schedule... (err, and designers worth their money )

 

[Relique du Madde]

I'm not talking errata. I'm talking systematic and subsystem changes.

I'm saying is that the evolution of 4e to 5e is entirely dependent on WoTC since all the systematic changes we would like to see can never be propagated through multiple publishers, unlike OGL, since no content in GSL is open (All content is either third party IP or WoTC IP). There wont be any point bases systems like M&M or Anime d20, or by the numbers that are propogated in mass, instead if some subsystem does appear and people like it there will end up being 200 different versions of it which are all slightly altered (so no one gets sued for infringement).

If someone on these boards (or elsewhere) created an idea that WoTC does decide to use, the fan/publisher who suggested it MAY NEVER be credited if the subsystem is integrated into the games core since those sorts of protections don't seem to be provided in GSL. Instead, the WoTC author/designer who lifted the idea and placed it into a book would be credited.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I don't see that effect.

How much of the OGL/D20 STL stuff ever influenced 3E (or 4E)? I know that Spycrafts Vitality and Wound Points system were used in Star Wars and in Urban Arcana, but they can't be found in Star Wars Saga or 4E.

Other things had an effect. I suppose that Mike Mearls work on the Book of Iron Might and Iron Heroes was what made him interesting to WotC and also influenced 4E design -but it still went a very different way than BoIM or IH. A success like Mike Mearls career could also be easily repeated without the OGL and just the GSL.