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Ymdar

Explorer
Do you have any method to give magic items to PCs? I have seen the tables in dmg and xgte but was wondering if anyone uses something different?
 

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Ath-kethin

Adventurer
Every item I give out is carefully considered and placed. Even when I roll randomly on a table (which I do sometimes for inspiration if nothing else), I make adjustments to match my setting.

So that's my take.
 

Ymdar

Explorer
Every item I give out is carefully considered and placed. Even when I roll randomly on a table (which I do sometimes for inspiration if nothing else), I make adjustments to match my setting.

So that's my take.
So how many items do you give to PCs in the course of 20 levels?
 

Do you have any method to give magic items to PCs? I have seen the tables in dmg and xgte but was wondering if anyone uses something different?
In 5e I've been running published adventures only (either 5e playtest packets or older editions adventures converted on the fly), so I just hand out whatever the adventure say, with casual adjustments. I have rarely used the random tables.
 

Cap'n Kobold

Adventurer
If you don't like the random rolls, you can pick out items that you want the party to get and place them in the adventure.

Or have them either as objective (the party wants a magic sword, so they research a place or creature that might have one, and the adventure is to obtain it) or reward (their patron or the person to gives them a quest offers them an item if they are successful).

Or even have some items available to buy.
 

iserith

Magic Wordsmith
In a one-shot adventure, I will typically place specific magic items that can be useful in the context of that adventure. I will also tend to "front load" them so that PCs get them early enough where they can use them by adventure's end if they wish.

In an ongoing campaign, I use random treasure tables and I ask the players to roll for it. Whatever they find, they find. In my experience, the players have a lot of fun with this because they know they have a chance to get some really great stuff. I typically use treasure as a reward for exploration challenges rather than for combat challenges (where they instead get XP).
 


Ymdar

Explorer
We have just started a new shared campaign where several people will DM (worked for us in the past) and have looked at the xgte magic tables which recommend to give out 100 magic items to a party of 4 over the course of 20 levels. We thought that looks like a bit much so decided to give each character over the course of the campaign:
- some random healing potions (with the option to buy these)
- some random consumable magic items (possibly stat increasing tomes at high levels exact numbers are TBD)
- 4 signature magic items which can be chosen by the players and which will be given to the PC in due time once roughly every 4 levels, with the potential for that magic item to increase in power. The items will be awarded by rarity (meaning rarer items will be given later) or a weaker version of the items will be given at lower levels.

We hope the above system prevents powergaming, getting too powerful items too early and to have a feeling of being in a fantasy novel. Any suggestions?
 

CapnZapp

Legend
Do you have any method to give magic items to PCs? I have seen the tables in dmg and xgte but was wondering if anyone uses something different?
I hand out gold, which the PCs then use to shop items with.

It might sound radical and unproven, but I see no reason to change what works well ☺
 

Vymair

First Post
I'm starting a new campaign and I'm just using random treasure tables for a bit. I've made a few re-rolls when the item didn't make sense to the context of the adventure. For example, a Cloak of the Manta Ray in a dungeon in the middle of the jungle feels out of place, so I just rolled on the table again until I found something that didn't conflict with what I felt was reasonable. I'm sure I'll end up placing a few items especially if I don't end up with a few magic weapons over time.
 
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jgsugden

Hero
Over the life of the PCs (20 levels of adventuring), per PC in the party, I will place:

* 3 attuned items
* 3 unattuned items
* 6 consumable items (potions, scrolls, etc...)

These items are 50% likely to be randomly determined on the tables, and 50% likely to be designed by me to fit the needs of the party. Even when I randomly roll a magic item, I always add a quirk to it to make it distinct (a Rapier +1 might be able to create a spell effect once per LR, might deal the +1 damage as radiant damage, might allow the wielder to extend their reach by 5' for 1 minute 1/day, etc... while a wand of magic missiles might also grant the light cantrip (only castable on the wand), might collapse to the size of a coin, might vibrate on command, might be usable on a bonus action 1/day, etc...)

I will also place roughly:

* 750 gold per PC of treasure between levels 1 and 5,
* 7500 (more) gold between levels 6 and 10,
* 75,000 (more) between levels 11 and 16, and
* 75,000 (more) between levels 17 and 20.

750 is enough to buy about 2 uncommon items, 7500 is about enough to buy 2 rare items, 75,000 is enough to buy about 2 very rare items, and the additional 75,000 should be enough to get them 1 legendary item (maybe). PCs rarely buy this amount of stuff because I often provide other things for them to spend money on (such as land, bribes, taxes, ransom, etc...) Consumables are the only items that do not follow the price suggestions in the DMG. Buying spell scrolls (and consumables in general - I try to equate them to a spell level) is always subject to negotiation, but my general price guide is:

Cantrip: 5 GP
Level 1: 25 GP
Level 2: 50 GP
Level 3: 125 GP
Level 4: 250 GP
Level 5: 750 GP
Level 6: 2500 GP
Level 7: 5000 GP
Level 8: 12,500 GP
Level 9: 25,000 GP
 

aco175

Hero
I tend to give out too much, like LMoP where there are like 25 items. A lot are potions and minor scrolls, but there is still a lot compared to what I see others saying. In 5e I have been giving out +0 weapons with other powers along with +1 things. Most PCs have a magic attuned item by 3-4th level and a few minor things. The thief in the party found a set of bracers that he can pull daggers from and lets him misty step 1/rest. This was at 4th level. More rare weapons may need to wait longer and possible require a quest themselves. A player choosing a falchion over a longsword for example. I'll give out one to make the character the player wants, but may make him wait for it. I did have a local duke have one in his basement as a reward saying, "I have been trying to get rid of this piece of junk."
 

Ranthalan

First Post
By the end of my last campaign (six PCs around 15th level), I think every PC had at least one attuned magic item. One or two of them had two. There was a scattering of +1 or +2 weapons. They probably had a dozen potions or so, but never used them, mostly because they forgot about them. The healing potions weren't particularly helpful. It was generally more efficient to use a spell to heal than a potion.

If it made sense that there might be a magic item in a particular treasure horde, I'd use the random treasure table to determine if any were present. But I picked the actual items myself from the tables so that the party got things they could actually use. This was mostly because they weren't likely to find anywhere to sell or barter them, based on the setting. In another campaign, I might have gone completely random. It seemed like an appropriate amount for the campaign. They didn't unbalance the game in any way.

The key is to know what is appropriate for your campaign. The game is flexible enough that if you go a bit too far you can compensate. You can up the opponent's HP, or pick opponents with particular immunities to lessen the impact of the party's magic items. That only helps so much, though. My advice is always pay attention to the effect a new magic item has on the game before considering any more. Be careful how many you give out at a time. Probably one is best, not more than two.
 

ccs

40th lv DM
I have a few methods:
1) if running a module, then whatevers listed. Assuming the party finds it. If they don't search area x, don't encounter various npc/monsters, etc then they miss loot. It doesn't just magically relocate ahead of them, not even if it's plot important.

2) From an npc/item using monster. These items are chosen to be usefull to my npc/monster. How usefull they are to the players is not of concern.

3) completely random. I like rolling on random treasure tables in lairs, if the characters go shopping, etc. I tend to use my 1e DMG & a bag of scrabble tiles (to determine the "letter type" (it's a 1e thing).
I don't care what items are generated this way. I'm OK with things that radically swing the game if rolled. If I weren't, I wouldn't be rolling.:)

4) chosen items. Things that I want included in the game for some reason.
For ex: the Apparatus of Kwalish - I just like this thing. So it tends to show up in my games.
 

cooperjer

Explorer
I've let the adventure drive how many and how often to hand out magic items. However, when converting the 3.5 adventure Red Hand of Doom, I decrease the number of magic items in many cases. I also add unique features to every item using the table in the DMG. Many items end up needing blood to operate. In fact, I got a little bored with this roll and started adding specific creature blood. So, when the party happened upon a magic item that required a drop of fresh troll blood daily, they decided to leave that item behind. They didn't want to carry a troll body part around. As it is, the warlock character sacrifices a fowl every morning to keep his magic gear running and then cooks the bird for breakfast.

I'm also experimenting with magic items that level up in power with the characters. These items are about equivalent in power to legendary items in that it is a combination of about three other magic items by the time the character is level 17. I'm not sure I like how they work out because it often makes me wonder if I should remove a magic item from the treasure description knowing that the item in the description will most likely be sold.
 

Ancalagon

Dusty Dragon
The formula I try to keep to is (for a party of 4):

1 useful permanent item per level (getting progressively better as time passes)
1 consumable magical item per level/player.

This seems pretty close to the D&D standard.
 

Coroc

Hero
I do it a bit like @Ath-ketin . Magic items cannot be given out totally random, unless you want them to become the unplanned Focus of your campaign. Since i have a General rough Overall planning in my campaigns tend to give out Magic weapons (Tier1 i mean e.g. +1 weapons) to the fighter / rogue types at least, if the Party is to Encounter creatures with resistance to nonmagic damage a lot from a certain stage in the campaign, unless it is a very low Magic world.

In my games a Group gets several logistic items never without thought: wings, transportable Portals, bags of Holding / portable holes and such.
They might get a ring of featherfall quite early, this item for 1 Party member has no danger of unbalancing things. I am quite generous also with items that give a small boon to a stat or metaskill. The only thing whith which i am very careful, out of experience, is things that boost pc armor class significantly.
 

ciriquen

First Post
Depends how you want magic items to be viewed, really. If you want them to be a common treat, then random rolls are fine, drop them in any time you like. On the other hand, if you want them to be special, then it's much better to think about each one individually, and dole them out carefully over time, starting small and slowly building up (you don't want your players getting jealous because one character got a huge boost early, and they don't have anything yet...)
 

Coroc

Hero
[MENTION=2629]jgsugden[/MENTION] #11 Very good post, and good System to spend coin on, i especially like how you exponentially increase cost by scroll Level. I do it quite similar, but i did not offer other Magic items than scrolls or potions to be bought by the Players. I got some other goodies although like compass, clocks, war machines, vessels coaches etc. for my current campaign.

A question: Do you always follow this rule, no matter what campaign? (Asuming you do not only run 1 style of campaign which makes this question obsolete)
 

77IM

Explorer!!!
Each session, I generate 10 treasure hoards using this site: http://www.mithrilandmages.com/utilities/5ETreasure.php

Then I pick out the most interesting items and place them as treasure throughout the session. I particularly like placing potions and other single-use items. My players level-up about every 2-3 sessions, so they're getting the most interesting picks of 20-30 rolls on the hoard generator.
 

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