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I Need some Big-Time help (Issue: Alignment, DM, PCs)

In my opinion, a character's alignment is whatever is written down on his character sheet.

Your PC1 has (presumably) Lawful Good written on his character sheet, so his actions are Lawful and Good. Although it seems like the player in question might be a bit of a dick.

You have Neutral written down on your character sheet, so your character's actions are Neutral.
 

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Jawdropping...... absolutely jawdropping

I think the problems here are considerably bigger than alignment issues. This group is redefining disfunctional.

If you want to save this game and/or friendships you need to get everyone together (probably at some neutral site) and discuss the issues like adults. You need to be honest without making it aggressively personal and you have to realize that if anything is going to change it will take everyone realizing that there is a need for change.

Beyond that --- best of luck.
 



In my opinion, a character's alignment is whatever is written down on his character sheet.

Your PC1 has (presumably) Lawful Good written on his character sheet, so his actions are Lawful and Good. Although it seems like the player in question might be a bit of a dick.

You have Neutral written down on your character sheet, so your character's actions are Neutral.

I don't get what your trying to say... IMO if there is a certain alignment write on your sheet you should at least try to play within those guidelines. And if your not then just write something else there.
 

Jawdropping...... absolutely jawdropping

I think the problems here are considerably bigger than alignment issues. This group is redefining disfunctional.

If you want to save this game and/or friendships you need to get everyone together (probably at some neutral site) and discuss the issues like adults. You need to be honest without making it aggressively personal and you have to realize that if anything is going to change it will take everyone realizing that there is a need for change.

Beyond that --- best of luck.

Dis-functional is an understatement, but we have fun every time. Gonna play as much as i can, cause next year I'm of to get my Masters, so i will be gona for a few years.
 
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I hate that you have no other gaming options, being in a small town. I wouldn't stay in such a dysfunctional group if I had other options. As it is, I'd be tempted to take a sabbatical from D&D altogether.
 

Yeah, a 3 point system isn't quite granular enough for most long term games IME. Also, if you're playing the Alignment track in front of the screen, a.k.a. tracked on your character log, you might also ask about actions that shift the alignment in general.

Rereading the dialogue you posted, it sounds like he's calling any improvised action a chaotic one, which isn't how I've seen this ruled by anyone before. Players pretty much always decide their PC's actions. Chaos in our game means entropy, so it's a complexity dissolving action rather than a creative one. Killing a chaotic creature is a chaotic act, but when done to protect Order it's typically considered an ordered act as the two forces are in conflict. Killing and destroying for the sheer pleasure of killing and destroying would be chaotic. Deciding to talk to an old guy you're not quite sure is a powerful force on one side or the other, with you being in between (TN), is hardly squaring off and attempting to destroy him. If you were, then I'd say the PC was siding with chaos against a lawful silver dragon. Talking to him even though he isn't your alignment? Not quite. You could be trying to convert him after all. Deciding to take an action the rest of the party won't being joining you in? Going it alone in other words? That's pretty much the definition of neutral in my book. That's a point towards center if anything.

Like I said, if you are playing this all in front of the screen, you may want to get a better understanding of upon what measure he is ruling a 1 point shift in alignment. Or a 2 point, or 3, etc.

EDIT: P1 as a LG character may or may not know the old man is a silver dragon. The DM can't really adjudicate upon what he thinks the player knows. He can only judge the actions they attempt. If he leaves, he continues traveling. Hardling non-lawful. Even if he could know the player knew the old man was an ally (L), the DM still couldn't know you were going to attack him. You character is openly (on the PC log) TN. So not an antagonist. Losing a lawful alignment almost always comes up when dealing with chaos creatures like demons or devils. Or when engaging in group infighting. Not arguments mind you, but taking the sword out and attempting to thwack the lawful priest when you're lawful too. It's called losing paladin status. An chaos priest? Thwack away, but if you could turn him away from chaos all the better for your side, no? Think of Star Wars with Vader tempting Luke, only in reverse.

Well we P1 and me both assumed that the old man is the dragon. And now that you mention it P1 might have tought i was going back to kill the dragon, since I am a ranger with Favored enemy Dragons (maxed out so far) + a +4 Dragon Bane Great Axe. Yes i see where it might have seemed like i was going to attack him. I forgot to mention to the group that my ranger only kills evil Dragons, Magical beasts when needed.
Thank you for bothering to read the post not to mention rereading it.
 

True Neutral just means that you don't favor one side or another... not that you don't ever DO one side or another. You act lawful and chaotic in equal measure, and you do good and evil things in equal measure.

So acting spontaneous on occasion is supposed to absolutely fine, and absolutely expected. Just like following the laws of the land on occasion should be absolutely fine, and absolutely expected.

I think you guys might be hemming to the alignment game a little too tightly.
 

True Neutral just means that you don't favor one side or another... not that you don't ever DO one side or another. You act lawful and chaotic in equal measure, and you do good and evil things in equal measure.

So acting spontaneous on occasion is supposed to absolutely fine, and absolutely expected. Just like following the laws of the land on occasion should be absolutely fine, and absolutely expected.

I think you guys might be hemming to the alignment game a little too tightly.

Well in my opinion a TN character is a bit indecisive but when he needs to decide he sides on the side which he thinks that is right.

Oh and the DM actually never lets me play TN cause he says that its is near impossible to play...

And that this is the first time in well almost never that alignment came up as an issue....and i was awestruck that i was found playing the alignment incorrectly, instead of the blood thirsty lawful good (half-silver dragon).
 

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