TSR I think we’ve finally made it!

[Mistwell]

I don't think anything in this brief description is antisemitic in any way. I think whatever that was, it's a reference to something IN the adventure and not in the short description.

 

[teitan]

I don't think anything in this brief description is antisemitic in any way. I think whatever that was, it's a reference to something IN the adventure and not in the short description.

It's the well poisoning reference.

 

[Mistwell]

It's the well poisoning reference.

I have my doubts that's the case. That's not a well known trope. Hard to dog whistle if almost nobody can connect the dots.

 

[teitan]

I have my doubts that's the case. That's not a well known trope. Hard to dog whistle if almost nobody can connect the dots.

AGreed

 

[Staffan]

I don't think anything in this brief description is antisemitic in any way. I think whatever that was, it's a reference to something IN the adventure and not in the short description.

It's the well poisoning reference.

I have my doubts that's the case. That's not a well known trope. Hard to dog whistle if almost nobody can connect the dots.

Yeah, for once I agree with Mistwell. There's plenty of bigotry coming out of nuTSR without us having to make things up.

The way I see it (as a gentile) is that Jews have been the scapegoat of Europe since Rome, and have been falsely accused of all sorts of villainy. If we're going to call out everything that Jews have historically been accused of as antisemitic dogwhistles, there's not going to be much left for our villains to do.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I have my doubts that's the case. That's not a well known trope. Hard to dog whistle if almost nobody can connect the dots.

I know it. Historically it was a big deal in Britain.

 

[Willie the Duck]

I know it. Historically it was a big deal in Britain.

In America, it is mostly known as an informal fallacy/flawed debate tactic. I have to agree with the others, the likelihood that the NuTSR crew knew about well-poisoning as an anti-Semitic canard is relatively low, and the likelihood of them using it as a deliberate dog whistle even lower. Also they put out so much toxicity that we don't need to put this much work into wringing another one out of their published comments. They were in all likelihood taking a petulant potshot at Morrus, which itself shows just exactly the level of class with which we are dealing.

 

[GuyBoy]

In America, it is mostly known as an informal fallacy/flawed debate tactic. I have to agree with the others, the likelihood that the NuTSR crew knew about well-poisoning as an anti-Semitic canard is relatively low, and the likelihood of them using it as a deliberate dog whistle even lower. Also that put out so much toxicity that we don't need to put this much work into wringing another one out of their published comments. They were in all likelihood taking a petulant potshot at Morrus, which itself shows just exactly the level of class with which we are dealing.

Your point is a good one but if they are students of medieval history, as D&D players often are (at least informally), their chances of knowing about well-poisoning being an anti-Semitic message rises quite markedly. Even more so if they’ve studied the Black Death period in any depth, where this was at its height and led to dreadful incidents in France, England and “Germany.”

That said, if LaNasa was in any way studious, he might be able to use Grammar more coherently.

 

[Vaalingrade]

It's very hard to give these guys benefit of the doubt, and I'm not, but it's possible to be a bigoted scumbag to one group without being a bigoted scumbag to all groups.

 

[Umbran]

Your point is a good one but if they are students of medieval history, as D&D players often are (at least informally

Students? You think these people... study things and gain actual knowledge?

 

[GuyBoy]

Students? You think these people... study things and gain actual knowledge?

They might learn about them, but they don’t learn wisdom. I bet LN is a fan of MTG ( and I don’t mean Magic, The Gathering!)

 

[Mannahnin]

On the topic of anti-Semitic dog whistles, none of the hypothesized topics are particularly strong. Red Hand cult could just as easily be inspired by the Red Hand of Ulster as anything Jewish. Abaddon has been introduced into the FRPG lexicon by Paizo. And poisoning the well is widespread enough to make it into a Toy Story reference as well as a broadly-used metaphor.
I understand that dog whistles are not supposed to be obvious, but that can also serve to get the conspiracy theories spinning to the point you see them whether there or not. The Morrus reference is the least obscure so go ENWorld! ...I guess.

I tend to concur. I'm sure the Morrus reference is intended as a potshot this direction. The other stuff seems a bit of a stretch.

 

[darjr]

OK. Now I’m upset. Why didn’t we get a card?!?

 

[CleverNickName]

I tend to concur. I'm sure the Morrus reference is intended as a potshot this direction. The other stuff seems a bit of a stretch.

I misread this post the first time; I thought you had written "a bit of a stench."

Either way, I agree.

 

[Ancalagon]

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Abaddon is also the author of the Kill Six Billion Demons webcomic

 

[Ancalagon]

Oh no. No you do NOT! NuTSR absolutely went down that road. And NuTSR, blaming Dinehart, did as well on Twitter.

NuTSR definitely had some transphobic speech that they refused to back away from... but is it in the module - that's the question.

 

[Ancalagon]

I keep seeing evidence that I have chosen a poor user name for this board.

it's perfect!

 

[Ancalagon]

OK. Now I’m upset. Why didn’t we get a card?!?

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Is this real?!?! I mean... that's... quality insulting! Can they produce something that good

 

[ersatzphil]

OK. Now I’m upset. Why didn’t we get a card?!?

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The sheer amount of spite involved is breathtaking. It almost makes me want a copy, just to marvel at it.

 

[Maxperson]

Who is that an image of?