I want more Vile!

[the Jester]

Hey BLACKDIRGE, I'm currently working on a monster book that will be coming out shortly after the revision is issued... we're consciously aiming to have at least a few monsters aimed at "mature" audiences (not the whole book, though). I'll definitely post something when it's about to come out and we've settled on a title.

 

[The Lemon Merchant]

I too would like a bit more vile, though I'm searching for one particular bit. In the Ravenloft game I currently play in, I make use of the drug addiction rules every session. It started innocently enough with Absinthe, but I've now moved on to something a bit stronger. I'd really like to see some more drugs added to the current, imho, small list.

 

[Psion]

1. Does anyone know whether WoTC or Dragon has any plans to release any other vile material?

A reply in the Dungeon letter page indicates that they do not (for which I personally am thankful.)

 

[Desdichado]

Personally, I think there's enough vile content out there that you can make a pretty dark campaign without looking too far. The drug rules, the rituals and sacrifices, the darker spells, etc. from BoVD -- that isn't really what makes a game dark anyway (although they are useful tools) it's the tone and scenarios that the GM puts the characters into that makes a game dark. DnD could sorta reasonably represent whimsical, "bright and polite" games and dark, gritty and "vile" games with the rules already in print. I'm not really looking for more vile content, particularly from Wizards. I am curious about darker content, though, like this new Midnight Campaign Setting I've seen ads for.

 

[BLACKDIRGE]

Re: Re: I want more Vile!

A reply in the Dungeon letter page indicates that they do not (for which I personally am thankful.)

Yeah I saw that reply too. Was the negative public outcry that loud? Everyone in my group loves the BoVD and there seems to be just as many people who enjoy the vile stuff as hate it. Are we dealing with a very vocal minority or do the majority of gamers not want this type of material? Did the BoVD sell well?

I really don't need more vile material (although I want it) I was just happy to see WoTC show some guts and push the envelope. I was hoping they wouldn't backpeddle when the conservatives went through the roof but I guess a few angry letters was enough to scare them. Too Bad.

Hey all. thanks for the replies. You have given me some good recommendations that I will be sure to check out.

Dirge

 

[The Sigil]

Re: Re: Re: I want more Vile!

Yeah I saw that reply too. Was the negative public outcry that loud? Everyone in my group loves the BoVD and there seems to be just as many people who enjoy the vile stuff as hate it. Are we dealing with a very vocal minority or do the majority of gamers not want this type of material? Did the BoVD sell well?

If you are correct, and just as many "enjoyed" it as "hated" it, I'll throw a question out there...

If those who hate it say, "no more or we'll stop buying," unless those who enjoyed it say, "don't stop or we'll stop buying," it makes business sense to stop. Because those who enjoyed it haven't said they'll stop buying and your market remains the same size. If they do not stop, the market shrinks.

From a strictly business sense, it makes sense to listen to a minority who will cancel if you keep doing X rather than a majority who will not cancel if you stop doing X... because stopping doesn't cause you to lose customers - but continuing does.

I was hoping they wouldn't backpeddle when the conservatives went through the roof but I guess a few angry letters was enough to scare them. Too Bad.

I'll just say that this obtusely insults those who were offended by such stuff and leave it at that. This has been beaten to death. Those who liked it tell the "conservatives" to "stop complaining about the content." Please stop complaining about our complaining. We have a right to voice our opinion and attempt to shape the path of Dragon as much as the next guy. Just because our view isn't the same as yours doesn't make it "wrong." And your view isn't "wrong" either - just different.

Let's keep it to, "I liked it" and "I didn't" and quit the "whiny conservatives" or "sinful liberals" stuff. We can be critical of material without being critical of each other.

--The Sigil

 

[BLACKDIRGE]

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If you are correct, and just as many "enjoyed" it as "hated" it, I'll throw a question out there...

If those who hate it say, "no more or we'll stop buying," unless those who enjoyed it say, "don't stop or we'll stop buying," it makes business sense to stop. Because those who enjoyed it haven't said they'll stop buying and your market remains the same size. If they do not stop, the market shrinks.

From a strictly business sense, it makes sense to listen to a minority who will cancel if you keep doing X rather than a majority who will not cancel if you stop doing X... because stopping doesn't cause you to lose customers - but continuing does.


I'll just say that this obtusely insults those who were offended by such stuff and leave it at that. This has been beaten to death. Those who liked it tell the "conservatives" to "stop complaining about the content." Please stop complaining about our complaining. We have a right to voice our opinion and attempt to shape the path of Dragon as much as the next guy. Just because our view isn't the same as yours doesn't make it "wrong."

--The Sigil

Whoa, hey sorry. I did not mean that last statement to come across as insulting and I apologize if it did. You are absolutely correct, this isue has been beaten to death and I was not trying to hijack my own thread.

Once again my apologies for any percieved insult.

Dirge.

 

[The Sigil]

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Whoa, hey sorry. I did not mean that last statement to come across as insulting and I apologize if it did. You are absolutely correct, this isue has been beaten to death and I was not trying to hijack my own thread.

Once again my apologies for any percieved insult.

Dirge.

No harm, no foul. That's the problem with the 'net - inflection is missing.

Keeping grudges is way too messy.

--The Sigil

 

[MeepoTheMighty]

Re: Re: Re: Re: I want more Vile!

If you are correct, and just as many "enjoyed" it as "hated" it, I'll throw a question out there...

If those who hate it say, "no more or we'll stop buying," unless those who enjoyed it say, "don't stop or we'll stop buying," it makes business sense to stop. Because those who enjoyed it haven't said they'll stop buying and your market remains the same size. If they do not stop, the market shrinks.

From a strictly business sense, it makes sense to listen to a minority who will cancel if you keep doing X rather than a majority who will not cancel if you stop doing X... because stopping doesn't cause you to lose customers - but continuing does.

So if 75% of your customers like plain M&M's, and 25% prefer peanut M&M's, it makes sense to drop the peanut M&M's if 1% of your customer base complains about there being peanut M&M's on the shelf?

 

[Dr. NRG]

Re: Re: Re: Re: I want more Vile!

If those who hate it say, "no more or we'll stop buying," unless those who enjoyed it say, "don't stop or we'll stop buying," it makes business sense to stop. Because those who enjoyed it haven't said they'll stop buying and your market remains the same size. If they do not stop, the market shrinks.

--The Sigil

What if, like me, they say, "do more of this, and I'll get a subscription"? Better yet, what if, like me, they actually do it?

NRG