ICE and the ENnies

[JoeGKushner]

I think ties though refers to a stronger link then these. I guess someone would need to define industry ties then.

Sorry. I buy all my shoe ties at the big man store.

 

[GwydapLlew]

I think ties though refers to a stronger link then these. I guess someone would need to define industry ties then.

For example, if we were on Christmas lists of some publishers. Or frequently posted to Circvs, or voted on which Paizo employee should be cannibalized first.

 

[Morrus]

I'd prefer if no one thought me and Russ at E.N. Publishing were sitting in dark rooms rubbing our hands together at the thought of how much money the ENnies will make us. We really, really are just doing this because we like gaming, just like the judges really, really are putting in weeks of their time just to find the best products that came out in the past year, to help raise awareness of quality game design.

Y'know, that's the rub of it. Thank you, Ryan, for putting it into words.

Amidst all the cynicism, accusations and demands, there's just one core truth: "We really, really are just doing this because we like gaming".

Those that can't comprehend that concept are just projecting their own natures onto us. Those that can't believe that's possible, those that must find issue with every minute detail - Ryan's just explained it to you. We're gamers. That's it. We're not heads of mega-corporations; we don't have secret CIA afffiliations; we don't plot and plan how the ENnies will allow us to sleep with Rasyr's wife, or empty eyebeams' bank account, or whatever**.

You don't know how many ex-Judges have said "I won't do that again". It involves a vast amount of honest work for no pay, and the reward you get is that people jump up and smear your name in every way possible. They accuse you of dishonesty, bias, incompetence, and who knows what else. I just want to say it here - past Judges, you're Good People. Thank you. You didn't deserve the crap you got, and you still get it to this day.

In conclusion - we know what we're about. Detractors can think whatever they like. despite them, we'll continue with aplomb*. And thank you to those who trust us. Mike, Monte, Clark and many others - you have my gratitude and my respect.



*This is the second time I've ever used that word. The first time was about 5 minutes ago, when I told Denise (Dextra) how bloody brilliant she is. To deal with this - as a volunteer! - and succeed so well. Whatever people would like to think, the ENnis are in good hands. Incredibly good hands. I'm going to kill Hellhound and marry her.

** This is actually untrue. The sole motivation behind the ENnies is to sleep with Rasyr's wife, and empty eyebeams' bank account. It's a slow process...

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

I think ties though refers to a stronger link then these. I guess someone would need to define industry ties then.

Perhaps industry ties = love of the RPG industry.

You are not sufficiently dispassionate to ensure a fair process.

The tyranny of active, involved, intelligent judges must end!

 

[GwydapLlew]

*This is the second time I've ever used that word. The first time was about 5 minutes ago, when I told Denise (Dextra) how bloody brilliant she is. To deal with this - as a volunteer! - and succeed so well. Whatever people would like to think, the ENnis are in good hands. Incredibly good hands. I'm going to kill Hellhound and marry her.

That explains the trip to the Colonies this year!

 

[Umbran]

There is a very old saying - "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Eyebeams and Rasyr have brought a number of theoretical issues to the fore. Things that might be an influence, or a detriment. What I'm failing to see, though, is proof that there's a real problem that needs correction. There's a whole lot of claims that "X is a problem", and not a whole lot of data. That the contention is plausible does not prove that it demands action.

This goes doubly for an endeavor that is already an economic loss. You want more work, and more changes, in a volunteer project that already doesn't support itself except by the goodwill of people donating their time? Think about that for a second. Really.

When soemone does something for your community out of the goodness of their hearts, suggestions of ways things can be done better are reasonable. Badgering is not. Days upon days of beating on the same points is not kindly lending a helping thought.

Here, as always, the Golden Rule applies.

 

[DaveyJones]

Perhaps industry ties = love of the RPG industry.

You are not sufficiently dispassionate to ensure a fair process.

The tyranny of active, involved, intelligent judges must end!

don't accuse me of being intelligent. thank you very much.

 

[DaveyJones]

This goes doubly for an endeavor that is already an economic loss. You want more work, and more changes, in a volunteer project that already doesn't support itself except by the goodwill of people donating their time? Think about that for a second. Really.

The ENnies also auction off products to help with the costs. And some publishers donate or sponsor.

I have the last 2 years bid on seats at the ENnies awards. I won 2 years ago. but last year i was outbid. I still donated my bid.

 

[Dextra]

Perhaps industry ties = love of the RPG industry.

You are not sufficiently dispassionate to ensure a fair process.

The tyranny of active, involved, intelligent judges must end!

Agreed!
From now on, judge selection will be by randomly picking one judge from each continent, regardless of whether they can read English or know anything about RPGs.

One should always question the motives of any person who seeks power.

Russ: I don't think he sought power. This little online award ceremony just grew a bit.
Me: Reasons I'm interested: 1. I know I can do almost anything better than anyone else and 2. I want to impress my fanboi husband. There have been sooooo many times that he has almost creamed when I mentioned with whom I was chatting!
Judges: SWAG. It's not power, being a judge, but you get a bunch of really cool stuff.


But to go back a bit, I don't want to downplay some of other peoples' concerns about the ENnies and EN World's (and by implication, EN Publishing) connection. We've done what we can to reduce the implications of any association. If that's not enough, I'm sorry. Well, actually, I'm not that sorry, because anyone who says that the ENnies Board is biased is questioning my (and Russ") integrity. That's not cool, so you'll have to forgive me if I get a tad riled at the concept.

 

[DaveMage]

The ENnies also auction off products to help with the costs. And some publishers donate or sponsor.

I have the last 2 years bid on seats at the ENnies awards. I won 2 years ago. but last year i was outbid. I still donated my bid.

So, not only did you donate all your time, but you PAID them to let you do it.

You just don't understand capitalism, do you?