ICE and the ENnies

[billd91]

I think you know what it means, as this is an RPG forum where the term is brought up constantly.

But this isn't a question of ignoring a die roll. So what do you mean in this context?

The fans didn't nominate. They voted on the slate available.

Apparently, at least a plurality of them didn't disagree.

In elections of al kinds, leapfrog candidates and acclamation are to be avoided.

Since there was voting at both the nomination (among the judges) and the award level, I don't think you can say acclamation even applies.
I have no idea what you're trying to say with the leapfrog term.

 

[JoeGKushner]

The ENnies also auction off products to help with the costs. And some publishers donate or sponsor.

I have the last 2 years bid on seats at the ENnies awards. I won 2 years ago. but last year i was outbid. I still donated my bid.

And I know a few of the judges, like myself, dropped off stuff that we weren't going to keep to help fuel the massive oil, I mean, gaming , profits.

 

[Raven Crowking]

Thank you, Mike. Amidst all the accusations and demands, it's nice to see that people do believe that I have some integrity. I appreciate it.

Mike's not alone.

 

[Michael Morris]

I'm sitting here on my lunch break reading this thread and I'm reminded of why I rarely post publically regarding business here at EN World anymore (Hell, I rarely post here anymore). My mercurial personality has gotten me in trouble many times - hopefully this isn't one of them. Let me reintroduce myself to newer members of the board and those who've forgotten me.

I'm the tech guy. I do the code around here. I have little patience, a poor temper, bad mood swings and, in general I'm a poor spokesman for anything. Despite this I'm the only person other than Denise and Russ to ever helm the ENnies, in 2004. The director of the show (Russ has always been the producer of it) has no role or influence on what products get picked for what categories. Russ in his role as producer has even less influence. Only the fan elected judges make those choices. The ENnies staff, which varies from year to year, have our hands full getting the ceremony itself going.

Eyebeams and Rasyr, you're one of the reasons I don't hang around here anymore. It's not entirely your fault mind you - I just don't like to test my temper. I find your passive-agressive comments and allusions throughout your posts to be insulting. Whether those insults are intentional or the unintentional byproduct of a staggering amount of ignorance concerning the awards is known only to you.

The running of the ENnies and this site are done by volunteers. By fans. For you to say, imply or argue different is a lie. A spiteful and hurtful lie. If you truly believe what you are saying I request that you leave this board and not return.

 

[mearls]

One thing that I think is important is that I don't think Eyebeams is rubbing his hands together in glee as he plans to destroy the Ennies. There will be suggestions for change and voices that disagree with the Ennies' direction. This being the Internet, it's hard for people to discuss things without it turning into an argument, but I'd hate to see anyone turning a deaf ear to him in the future because of personal conflicts.

One of the things I've learned in designing stuff for public consumption is that it takes a lot of work to sort useful criticism from pointless complaints. It's worth it, though, because for everyone who is wasting your time there's someone with a legitimate issue.

While you don't want to waste your time trying to make everyone happy, you also don't want to create a climate that silences dissent. I don't see that necessarily happening here, but it'd be a pity if people felt they couldn't speak up.

EDIT: I also wanted to add one thing. I think some of Eyebeams' points relate to *potential* abuse, but I disagree that they demand an immediate address. Any award system can suffer abuse, but I think the Ennies are transparent and the people involved in running them have consistently shown they are trustworthy. I see some of his suggestions as change without clear improvement.

 

[RangerWickett]

I'm not a mod, but let's not complain about each other publicly. If you don't like how someone is posting, report it to a mod. Don't post in response to them.

 

[Piratecat]

I'm not a mod, but let's not complain about each other publicly. If you don't like how someone is posting, report it to a mod. Don't post in response to them.

I am a mod, and I'll agree with that. Please don't publicly denigrate other people as we discuss these issues.

 

[HellHound]

One of the things I've learned in designing stuff for public consumption is that it takes a lot of work to sort useful criticism from pointless complaints. It's worth it, though, because for everyone who is wasting your time there's someone with a legitimate issue.

From my perspective (watching the inner workings of the ENnies from my wife across the room most evenings), I know that the questions and criticisms are definitely listened to and noted by her and are all weighed and considered.

If anything, it is the statements that she doesn't listen that I find amusing. I would estimate that the original post in this thread lead to a *mere* 6 hours of discussions on how and whether to address the points brought up in the thread. That's before we take into account the comments and criticisms in later posts.

 

[DaveyJones]

I am a mod, and I'll agree with that. Please don't publicly denigrate other people as we discuss these issues.

you mean i can report posts again.

 

[Psion]

This goes doubly for an endeavor that is already an economic loss. You want more work, and more changes, in a volunteer project that already doesn't support itself except by the goodwill of people donating their time? Think about that for a second. Really.

I often think this to myself, but it's a good moment to make it public.

Are the Ennies perfect? No. But from my perspective, I can see few changes that would have a good chance of genuinely improving the awards that wouldn't require a significant expenditure of money and/or freely volunteered hours.