Iconic Outsiders (Tanaari, Baatezu, Yugoloths, Modrons, etc.) - How many species?

[Ripzerai]

Adding in some Creature Catalog conversions:

YUGOLOTHS
#Anthraxus (CR 32)
#Charon (CR 25)
*Arcanaloth (CR 17, MMII, 3.0)
Ultroloth (CR 13, MMIII/CR 16, MotP, 3.0)
Nycaloth (CR 10, MMIII/CR 13, MotP, 3.0)
Marraenoloth (CR 10, MMII, 3.0)
Yagnoloth (CR 10, MMII, 3.0)
Dergholoth (CR 10)
Gacholoth (CR 9)
Piscoloth (CR 9, FF)
Echinoloth (CR 8, Stormwrack)
Hydroloth (CR 8)
Mezzoloth (CR 6, MMIII/CR 7, MotP, 3.0)
Canoloth (CR 5, MMIII/CR 6, MotP, 3.0)
Skeroloth (CR 3, FF)

SLAADI
#Ygorl (CR 42)
#Ssendam (CR 37)
#Chourst (CR 30)
#Rennbuu (CR 28)
#Bazim-Gorag (CR 21, Champions of Ruin)
*Black Slaad (CR 25, ELH, 3.0)
White Slaad (CR 21, ELH, 3.0)
Death Slaad (CR 13, MM)
Gray Slaad (CR 10, MM)
Gormeel (CR 10, 3.0, Dragon #306)
Green Slaad (CR 9, MM)
Blue Slaad (CR 8, MM)
Red Slaad (CR 7, MM)
Mud Slaad (CR 6, FF)

RILMANI
*Aurumach (CR 17, FF)
Argenach (CR 14)
Cuprilach (CR 12, FF)
Ferrumach (CR 9, FF)
Abiorach (CR 7)
Plumach (CR 5)

 

[Shemeska]

And knowing is half the battle

The current planar cosmology is the same as the one originally used in Dragonlance Adventures, in 1st edition. In other words, we just went back to how things were to begin with, before Manual of the Planes threw them all into the same pot.

So yes, this was an active decision.

Hmm, I knew that it had been part of the Wheel since 1e, but I wasn't aware that it had for a period had something seperate.

Thank you for the answer

 

[Nightfall]

Learn something new every day don't we Shemmy?

 

[Ripzerai]

Hmm, I knew that it had been part of the Wheel since 1e, but I wasn't aware that it had for a period had something seperate.

It didn't, not explicitly.

Dragonlance Adventures dropped vague place-names like Zhan, the Forest Beyond the World; the Abyss; and the Dome of Creation. It did not mention the planes of the Gygaxian cosmology, but neither did it deny the Gygaxian cosmology. It didn't try to formalize the relationships between the divine realms and the material plane, as the 3rd edition campaign setting has.

When subsequent material said the Abyss was the Lower and Astral Planes and the Forest Beyond the World was in the Beastlands, this did not really contradict anything. The only real conflict came between people (like designer Tracy Hickman) who preferred to allow Krynn to stand alone and TSR's impulse to connect and consolidate their various worlds (as seen in Spelljammer, Ravenloft, Planescape, and elsewhere).

It is misleading to say that Krynn had its own cosmology in Dragonlance Adventures, as a scattering of three or so names can't properly be considered a formal cosmology (although it was made into one in 3e). Saying that the new cosmological set-up better matches the novels (which were largely written before any part of D&D had much cosmological detail) is of course true, however.

 

[Nightfall]

Thanks for clearing that up Rip.

 

[Shemeska]

Thank you for clearing up the clarification Rip

 

[victorysaber]

Good catch. thanks. here's another for the Baatezu
Book \ Name\ Baatezu \ page # \ CR
Champions of Ruin \ Malkizid, the Branded King \ Baatezu \ 155\ 27

Thanks man, it's in now.

Anything I've missed?

 

[Wavestone]

I see the Word Archon from Tome of Magic - but you seem to have missed the Logokron Devil from the same source (indeed right next to each other)..

Baatezu : Logokron Devil, CR 14

 

[Cam Banks]

It is misleading to say that Krynn had its own cosmology in Dragonlance Adventures, as a scattering of three or so names can't properly be considered a formal cosmology (although it was made into one in 3e). Saying that the new cosmological set-up better matches the novels (which were largely written before any part of D&D had much cosmological detail) is of course true, however.

I wouldn't call it misleading so much as not fully detailed the way it is now. DLA takes its lead from DL5 Dragons of Mystery on such things, and DLA also makes it fairly clear that Dragonlance's universe is separate and different from that of other worlds (including special rules about visitors from "across the void" not being able to get back, the gods not recognizing offworlder visitors, the Dome of Creation et al encompassing all that is, etc).

So the current version makes it fairly clear that Krynn's universe is self-contained, but doesn't rule out other worlds. It's just that these other worlds are beyond even the outer planes, and can visit Krynn only by extraordinary circumstances.

Cheers,
Cam

 

[victorysaber]

Adding in some Creature Catalog conversions:

YUGOLOTHS
#Anthraxus (CR 32)
#Charon (CR 25)
*Arcanaloth (CR 17, MMII, 3.0)
Ultroloth (CR 13, MMIII/CR 16, MotP, 3.0)
Nycaloth (CR 10, MMIII/CR 13, MotP, 3.0)
Marraenoloth (CR 10, MMII, 3.0)
Yagnoloth (CR 10, MMII, 3.0)
Dergholoth (CR 10)
Gacholoth (CR 9)
Piscoloth (CR 9, FF)
Echinoloth (CR 8, Stormwrack)
Hydroloth (CR 8)
Mezzoloth (CR 6, MMIII/CR 7, MotP, 3.0)
Canoloth (CR 5, MMIII/CR 6, MotP, 3.0)
Skeroloth (CR 3, FF)

SLAADI
#Ygorl (CR 42)
#Ssendam (CR 37)
#Chourst (CR 30)
#Rennbuu (CR 28)
#Bazim-Gorag (CR 21, Champions of Ruin)
*Black Slaad (CR 25, ELH, 3.0)
White Slaad (CR 21, ELH, 3.0)
Death Slaad (CR 13, MM)
Gray Slaad (CR 10, MM)
Gormeel (CR 10, 3.0, Dragon #306)
Green Slaad (CR 9, MM)
Blue Slaad (CR 8, MM)
Red Slaad (CR 7, MM)
Mud Slaad (CR 6, FF)

RILMANI
*Aurumach (CR 17, FF)
Argenach (CR 14)
Cuprilach (CR 12, FF)
Ferrumach (CR 9, FF)
Abiorach (CR 7)
Plumach (CR 5)

updated. are they all 3.5 or 3.0/3.5 mix?