If an area spell, like force orb, targets "enemies"...

[coldpheasant]

can you have it hit an ally?

Also, Freezing Cloud's effect (PHB160) states that "Any creature that enters the cloud or starts its turn there is subject to another attack."

By "subject" to an attack, does that mean the caster can choose whether or not they get hit by the damage? I'm thinking "no" but I'd like to see what you guys think.

 

[hong]

Yeah, you hit everyone, including your buddies.

 

[ccmage]

i think in this game, ff always on

 

[Shroomy]

can you have it hit an ally?

Also, Freezing Cloud's effect (PHB160) states that "Any creature that enters the cloud or starts its turn there is subject to another attack."

By "subject" to an attack, does that mean the caster can choose whether or not they get hit by the damage? I'm thinking "no" but I'd like to see what you guys think.

According to the PHB pg. 57, if the target says "enemies" it cannot affect allies, but if the target is "creatures" it can.

 

[Rechan]

CAN, or does?

I was under the impression that when it says "Creature", if your allies are in the area, they are boned.

 

[Shroomy]

If the target keyword is creatures, your allies (as well as yourself) would be boned if they were in the area of effect.

 

[coldpheasant]

Force Orb says "enemies." Freezing Cloud says "creatures." I had two questions:

1) Can the caster choose to hit an ally with a spell that targets "enemies." What designates something as an "enemy?" Can an ally that has been dominated by a Vampire Lord, for instance, be hit by an effect that targets "enemies"?

2) Do the words "is subject to an attack" in Freezing Cloud imply that the caster of the spell has any control over whether a creature entering the cloud after the burst takes damage?

Please indicate which question you're answering.

 

[Danceofmasks]

1) In a computer game, no. On a tabletop, if you consider another PC an enemy (for whatever reason .. dominated or 'you killed my father' or whatever), then go right ahead.
There are cases, such as a cleric attempting to burn his warlock buddy (with a -ff AoE) so hellish rebuke gets set off, I'd say no.

2) No control. If a creature is subject to an attack, they get attacked.

 

[coldpheasant]

1) In a computer game, no. On a tabletop, if you consider another PC an enemy (for whatever reason .. dominated or 'you killed my father' or whatever), then go right ahead.
There are cases, such as a cleric attempting to burn his warlock buddy (with a -ff AoE) so hellish rebuke gets set off, I'd say no.

2) No control. If a creature is subject to an attack, they get attacked.

Thank you. This is the way I was interpreting it, but I wasn't sure if there was a special ruling somewhere that I'd overlooked.

 

[Shroomy]

Force Orb says "enemies." Freezing Cloud says "creatures." I had two questions:

1) Can the caster choose to hit an ally with a spell that targets "enemies." What designates something as an "enemy?" Can an ally that has been dominated by a Vampire Lord, for instance, be hit by an effect that targets "enemies"?

2) Do the words "is subject to an attack" in Freezing Cloud imply that the caster of the spell has any control over whether a creature entering the cloud after the burst takes damage?

Please indicate which question you're answering.

1. In 4e, the enemy keyword is defined as someone who is not yourself or your ally; intent, hostile or otherwise, is not a pre-requisite, so someone who you do not consider your ally could be subject to a power that targets enemies. However, they would no longer be subject to powers that target allies. Really, this is kind of a grey area, that either needs to be addressed via your DM or a later rules clarification from WoTC.

2. Anyone within the area of effect, including yourself, is subject to the attack if they are within the area of effect. The only exception I can think of would be an epic feat that allows you to except squares from teh AoE, but I cannot remember its name.