If you replace every plank and nail in a ship...
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GoodKingJayIII
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I guess it really depends on what the characters want. Sure, all the original members might be dead, but Billy the Wizard, who was the first extended member of the group, may have been good friends with Jim the Fighter, a founding member, and perhaps he convinces the group to maintain the original name, charter, etc.
Agent Oracle
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depends on the speed at which they were replaced:
For example: TPK? = totally new party. (poor schmucks)
We lost part (x) here and part
there? = time for the original party to fill in the following party. the group is the same, even if the last founder is dead.
For example: TPK? = totally new party. (poor schmucks)
We lost part (x) here and part
there? = time for the original party to fill in the following party. the group is the same, even if the last founder is dead.
BlackMoria
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Depends. What defines the party? Its members, its compostion or its purpose.
If it is members, the party is not the same as the original members are dead.
If it is composition, the party can or will not be the same party depending if the capabilities of the party is more or less the same as the original party.
If it is the same goal or purpose, the party is the same, despite the loss of the original members, as long as the goal or purpose hasn't changed.
If it is members, the party is not the same as the original members are dead.
If it is composition, the party can or will not be the same party depending if the capabilities of the party is more or less the same as the original party.
If it is the same goal or purpose, the party is the same, despite the loss of the original members, as long as the goal or purpose hasn't changed.
Mishihari Lord
First Post
Probably yes. Sociology has show that a social group is more than the individuals. There are norms, traditions, processes, methods, and so on that are accepted by the members and define how they relate to each other and to the outside world. If these survive, I would say that it is the same group.
An interesting example of this was an experiment done on a group of gorillas. A group of gorillas was in a cage and some food was placed (IIRC) at the top of some stairs, but if any gorilla tried to get the food, all the gorillas in the cage got zapped. They learned this very quickly and any gorilla that strayed too close to the zap location got dogpiled by the rest of the gorillas. The experimenters then replaced the gorillas in the group one by one. Of course the new gorilla would try to get the food and be summarily dogpiled by the rest. The interesting thing was that the behavior continued even once all of the gorillas that had experienced a zap were removed. The behavior had become a group norm even though none of them knew why.
This may be a more serious answer than you were looking for, but I think this is awfully interesting stuff.
An interesting example of this was an experiment done on a group of gorillas. A group of gorillas was in a cage and some food was placed (IIRC) at the top of some stairs, but if any gorilla tried to get the food, all the gorillas in the cage got zapped. They learned this very quickly and any gorilla that strayed too close to the zap location got dogpiled by the rest of the gorillas. The experimenters then replaced the gorillas in the group one by one. Of course the new gorilla would try to get the food and be summarily dogpiled by the rest. The interesting thing was that the behavior continued even once all of the gorillas that had experienced a zap were removed. The behavior had become a group norm even though none of them knew why.
This may be a more serious answer than you were looking for, but I think this is awfully interesting stuff.
Allandaros
Explorer
It can well be. Anyone familiar with the Black Company novels? The mercenary company the books center around, the Black Company, is generations old. It's forgotten much of its past, because the Annals detailing where it came from ("We're the Black Company, last of the Free Companies of Khatovar. What the hell's Khatovar?") have been lost.
Continuity can still exist even though the old members are all dead and rotting bones.
Continuity can still exist even though the old members are all dead and rotting bones.
Mark CMG
Creative Mountain Games
Merkuri said:
I have an RHoD game going where one of the first characters died and took over an NPC that has been with the group from day one. That NPC-turned-PC is now the only original member of the group and the player of the NPC-turned-PC is the only original player, too. It feels like a different game than that which was started six months ago.
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