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lowkey13

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
So I should ask - is the ignore feature the same on this platform?

I know there's one difference already- if someone quotes an ignored person, you can see that there is blocked text quoted and you have the option of viewing it.

But is it otherwise the same? For example, are ignored people precluded from joining your threads and/or harassing you by replying to your comments without you knowing?
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
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I haven't had time to set up a test user and actually walk through what happens.

However, the documentation I have found says that "Ignore" controls what you see. Not what they see. So, if you ignore someone, you won't see their posts. They can still see your posts. You will, unfortunatley, be able to see when they like your content. And, in a page that's got stuff you have ignroed, there's a link to show it to you. So, some self-discipline to not go looking for trouble is required.

I suspect some folks would like to have a full "block" feature, which would also keep the blocked person from seeing your stuff. My reading so far is that XenForo does not supply this natively. It would likely require Morrus to install a plug-in, which may not come quickly.
 
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lowkey13

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
I haven't had time to set up a test user and actually walk through what happens.

However, the documentation I have found says that "Ignore" controls what you see. Not what they see. So, if you ignore someone, you won't see their posts. They can still see your posts.
Well, I know that some people will be very happy with this change given some debates I have seen.

I am ... meh, I found the two-way block helpful for de-escalation sometimes. Plus ca change. :)
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
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I can certainly see how two-way blocks were useful to some. And maybe at some future time, Morrus will implement a block.

We have gained another feature or two that may help keep arguments down. We'll have to have some discussion on how we will want to use them most effectively.
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
I just wish people you ignored couldn't send you IMs. Which they were able to on the old system. There are plenty of reasons to ignore someone (they aren't just people you find irritating), so getting IMs from them after you've ignored them feels almost like harassment, especially since they know you ignored them.
 

lowkey13

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
I just wish people you ignored couldn't send you IMs. Which they were able to on the old system. There are plenty of reasons to ignore someone (they aren't just people you find irritating), so getting IMs from them after you've ignored them feels almost like harassment, especially since they know you ignored them.
Eh, I don't have an issue with this for the most part. If someone wants to reach out to me privately, that can often lead to a resolution of any issue that might have arisen.

OTOH, if someone is harassing you in IMs, that's when you notify a moderator.
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
Eh, I don't have an issue with this for the most part. If someone wants to reach out to me privately, that can often lead to a resolution of any issue that might have arisen.

OTOH, if someone is harassing you in IMs, that's when you notify a moderator.
That's just it though. There doesn't have to be an issue to resolve. As I mentioned, there are many reasons why you can put someone on your ignore list that have nothing to do with conflict. Therefore, there is nothing really to resolve.
 

lowkey13

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
That's just it though. There doesn't have to be an issue to resolve. As I mentioned, there are many reasons why you can put someone on your ignore list that have nothing to do with conflict. Therefore, there is nothing really to resolve.
Then politely tell them not to IM you, and if they continue, notify a moderator.

No system is perfect- I mean, a person could create a new account, or private browse, or whatever.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Yeah - the reason we have living, breathing people as moderators is that no system will to exactly what's desired in all cases.

If someone is sending you PMs, and you do not want them, reply to them to politely tell them you'd rather not hear form them... AND ADD A MODERATOR TO THE RECIPIENTS LIST.
 

robus

Lowcountry Low Roller
I was certainly able to get a block lifted by contacting the person who blocked me (a long time after the block) and asking nicely for a second chance :)

The block was messing up my ability to make the "Best of" post.
 

lowkey13

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
I can certainly see how two-way blocks were useful to some. And maybe at some future time, Morrus will implement a block.

We have gained another feature or two that may help keep arguments down. We'll have to have some discussion on how we will want to use them most effectively.
As someone who kinda sorta misses the two-way blocks, any word on whether these new features will be user-facing?
 

lowkey13

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
Oh, these are moderator functions, not board-member-facing.
So, I thought I'd give an updated user perspective on the new system, compared to the old one.

First, how I used the old system:

I used it primarily to de-escalate; in other words, if things were getting a little heated, a could slap on the block for a short period of time (a day, a week) and let things naturally wind down without worrying, "Is it them? Is it me? Is it the combination?" Because of the blanket nature of the block (you wouldn't see them, you wouldn't know they existed, etc.) it was AMAZING at that.

Second, there were three individuals who were on my perma-block list. And it was nice ... so nice ... not having to deal with them at all or even really being aware of them.

Overall, in terms of how it worked for communications, it was perfect.

The downside, of course, is that the old system absolutely wrecked the ability to "go to" threads and some other features if there was a blocked person in it; which was often inevitable if the thread count was in the hundreds.


The new system, TBH, is not nearly as effective in terms of management; people that you ignore see you and quote you and can (ahem) pollute your threads. And you constantly see them as "Ignored Members" which, TBH, is annoying because you have the option to view what they are saying; more a temptation than a respite.

However, the new site (incl. the ability to go to threads etc.) is just so amazingly responsive. I don't miss trying to go to a notification in a 1000 comment thread and ending up on the wrong page.

So, that's my analysis. It's not nearly as good for its intended purpose, but it is definitely better in technical implementation.
 
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CapnZapp

Hero
Yes, everything about the old two-way ignore feature was understandable, except how entire threads became inaccessible just because you ignored/were ignored by the user making post #1. To me, that always came across as more of a database programming error than something logical and useful.

Please don't re-implement a solution that singles out the first post to be more special than the second, or 99th.

(Not seeing the individual post, however, is fair)

Thx
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
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We're not 'implementing a solution' to anything. Xenforo's ignore function is Xenforo's ignore function. I have no plans to meddle with it.
 
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