I'm sick to death of dwarves, elves, halflings, and gnomes!


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Dragongirl said:
By the way, there were no gnomes in Tolkein's books.

Well, not to be pedantic... okay, to be utterly and TOTALLY pedantic, there are gnomes in Tolkien. Galadriel is one of 'em.

Gnome is another gname for the Noldor...

That totally and ludicrously bit of pedantry aside, Dragongirl's point stands: gnomes as they appear in D&D have no relation to Tolkien other than they both have their roots in Scandenavian notions of gnomosity (gnomositude?) -- they're both clever tinkerers and makers of things.

AJL
 

on a side note
does anyone knoe of anyone (or was ever thinking about)
converting Talislanta to d20?
i was thinking about it, but i dont really have time (plus it would be my first and i'd probably screw up) ^_^
 


I believe Weis and Hickman will be presenting Talislanta as an option in their conversion of 3e Dragonlance, due next Gencon US.

Rav
 

Yeah, I agree. There's so much you can do with just humans. Demi-humans really lend a huge flavor to a campaign setting. As a result, most D&D settings are pretty much the same with variations.

What about prolific and numerous races of intelligent evil humanoids as well? That's another setting convention that is really ubiquitous, however in Conan, for example, you just don't have them and it really changes the feel of the world.

I think most D&D settings are based around "more is better." This does seem to gel with the marketing angle. To a point, the more stuff you toss in there, the more people can find something they like.
 

I'll third Rokugan. Even in the Rokugan d20 I adapted for the FR world I've kept demi-humans to a minimum. In an empire of millions there are five elves, two dwarves, and one gnome. And one of those elves is a PC. Unsurprisingly, the party's been looking for the gnome until very recently.:)
 

Some of us bother with the roleplaying difference between the different races. What I'm sick of is human domination. While Lodoss is my favorite campaign setting, it does have that flaw. I want to see a world where for once, the dominant species is elves or dwarves or gnomes, or a developed one with halflings dominant.(Alecrast wasn't developed.) Humans may be a decent race, and half-elves and half-kender make excellent characters, but they are so overdone.
 

Dragongirl said:


Really? First I have heard of it. Where did you see that?

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I believe, though I don't have it in front of me, that in the glossorial index at the back of Silmarillion he uses the word "gnome" in his definition of Noldor, which is the easiest way to find it. But it's all over his work (some of which I've yanked doing a web search), stemming from his Sindarin word for the Noldor. In the Etymologies, he has the following definition for the Sindarin term for the Noldor:

ngolodo "one of the wise folk, Gnome"

ngolodo->noldo

Here's a snippet from an essay of his which appears in one of the HME (History of Middle Earth) volumes about the tiresome "is Glorfindel from Gondolin the same Glorfindel from Book 1?" debate:

This name is in fact derived from the earliest work on the mythology: The Fall of Gondolin, composed in 1916-1917, in which the Elvish language that ultimately became that of the type called Sindarin was in a primitive and unorganised form, and its relation with the High-elven type (itself very primitive) was still haphazard. It was intended to mean ‘Golden-tressed’, and was the name given to the heroic ‘Gnome’ (Noldo), a chieftain of Gondolin, who in the pass of Cristhorn (‘Eaglecleft’) fought with a Balrog, whom he slew at the cost of his own life.

The accent is mine. I have never read the HME, by the way, so the website I got this quote from could have just made it up -- but I'm certain the word gnome for Noldor is used somewhere in the Silmarillion.

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And yet, all that don't matter a hill of beans because your point was totally dead on. :) Gnomes in D&D have more in common with the ceramic things one might find in a kitschy garden than with Tolkien (not that I'm saying that they ARE the garden-gnomes in D&D, but they are more similar to them than to Noldor).

AJL
 


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