Hypersmurf
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Diggus Rex said:LOL
Ok, a successful Feint produces a very flat-footed-like affect on AC.
But not one that denies immediate actions.
-Hyp.
Immediate Actions *can't* be used when flat-footed?
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But not one that denies immediate actions.
-Hyp.
Diggus Rex
First Post
Hypersmurf said:
Didnt type that it did. Just expressing my ease in using flat-footed by RAW
blargney the second
blargney the minute's son
Original source trumps everything except errata. There hasn't been errata on that spell, so you can use feather fall anytime because the description of the spell says you can.Hypersmurf said:
So, back to feather fall. If it's an immediate action, and you can't use immediate actions while flat-footed, and you're flat-footed any time you're not in combat, it's pretty useless. Even if you walk up to a cliff, see the cliff clearly, and say, "Well, it's a pretty tough climb, I'll feather fall to the bottom," you're out of luck. The cliff didn't surprise you, but you're not in combat, so you can't cast the spell. Ridiculous. Do you propose that one of the other PCs start shooting arrows at you so you can get to the bottom of the cliff? If you believe, as a previous poster has stated, that the clause allowing FF to be used in an unexpected fall isn't subsumed in the immediate action designation, could you, perhaps, close your eyes and ask your friends to shove you off the cliff at some unexpected point in the future?
tomBitonti
Adventurer
Setting up a scenario
Sorry, late to this discussion.
I'm setting up a scenario to work out the details of how this should work:
*) Character walks into a room.
*) Enemy has hands on a level to drop out the floor of the room (creating a pit).
*) Initiative is rolled; enemy goes first, character second.
*) Enemy pulls level.
*) Character gets a saving throw to avoid falling into the newly opened pit.
*) Character *does not fall yet*.
*) Character goes, and begins to fall.
The important points are that:
*) the character makes the saving throw on the enemy's action (I'm convinced of this);
*) but falls on the character's action (I'm thinking this is true, but am not wholly convinced).
I'm setting up this example to contrast with:
*) Outside of combat;
*) Character walks down a hallway and across a pit trap;
*) Pit trap opens;
*) The character makes a saving throw;
*) If they failed that saving throw, they fall.
And to contrast with the same scenario, but in a combat, that is, changing "Outside of combat" to "On the character's initiative".
Thx!
Sorry, late to this discussion.
I'm setting up a scenario to work out the details of how this should work:
*) Character walks into a room.
*) Enemy has hands on a level to drop out the floor of the room (creating a pit).
*) Initiative is rolled; enemy goes first, character second.
*) Enemy pulls level.
*) Character gets a saving throw to avoid falling into the newly opened pit.
*) Character *does not fall yet*.
*) Character goes, and begins to fall.
The important points are that:
*) the character makes the saving throw on the enemy's action (I'm convinced of this);
*) but falls on the character's action (I'm thinking this is true, but am not wholly convinced).
I'm setting up this example to contrast with:
*) Outside of combat;
*) Character walks down a hallway and across a pit trap;
*) Pit trap opens;
*) The character makes a saving throw;
*) If they failed that saving throw, they fall.
And to contrast with the same scenario, but in a combat, that is, changing "Outside of combat" to "On the character's initiative".
Thx!
blargney the second
blargney the minute's son
One endeavours.hong said:
Diggus Rex
First Post
Caliban said:
The right column of pg. 102 of the FAQ addresses a question of traps that use attack rolls. It's said that flat-footed AC is used, suggesting that in between combats you're flat-footed. I'd reason you go back to being flat-footed after the current combat ends, before you can take an action in your next combat.
Diggus Rex said:
Traps with attack rolls using your flat-footed AC is a FAQ ruling, nothing more. It simply suggests that being hit by a trap with an attack roll is like being attacked in the surprise round, not that you walk around flat-footed all the time by default.
The rules cover being flat-footed at the beginning of combat, not in between combats. Certain things can make you flat-footed (balancing, some spells), but they are all spelled out specifically.
