Immortal's Handbook continuation thread

[Anabstercorian]

Sounds like an outlier to me...

...It doesn't strike me as a statistically standard thing. I think that's a 1 in a 1000 event. Tell us more about how the fight went, Anubis - Either way, it sounds pretty darn interesting!

 

[Eldorian]

Can we please switch to the new thread? This one is too long, and it's hard to keep track of which page you're on past 9.

http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44070


Eldorian Antar

PS i'll reply over there.

 

[Anubis]

Re: Sounds like an outlier to me...

...It doesn't strike me as a statistically standard thing. I think that's a 1 in a 1000 event. Tell us more about how the fight went, Anubis - Either way, it sounds pretty darn interesting!

Okay, there were six Level 20 Human Adepts. It was a standard combat, and I posted a lot of the variable stats above. Like I said, this is an expert group playing here. Vampire, Wizard, Half-Dragon Rogue, and Bard.

Anyway, in the first round, the Vampire got a couple good hits, nothing big. The Wizard cast I think Haste and a spell that required a Will Save at DC 24 or so, and the Adept made the save. Two of the Adepts cast Stoneskin, and two others cast Lightning Bolt. The Vampire didn't take much damage, but the Wizard got hit twice and was taken down to under 10, and the Rogue avoided with Evasion. This is when the battle turned around.

One of the Adepts cast Polymorph Other on the Rogue, he missed his save, and was turned into a Toad. The Bard tried to use Dispel Magic, but against DC 31, that was pretty futile. Next round, the Vampire hacked and slashed some more, and the Wizard cast a couple of instant death spells that didn't work. One required a Will save and the other the Adept rolled a 20. The Adepts go again, and use Polymorph Other on the Bard this time, turning her into a Toad as well.

Anyway, the Vampire was still doing okay, but the Wizard was about dead. It took three Adepts with Polymorph Other, but they finally turned the Wizard into a Toad as well, then fried her with Lightning Bolt. All of them used Polymorph Self to change into Fire Giants, and the Vampire was soon down to like 11. Anyway, after that, all the Adepts had Stoneskin on as well.

Anyway, the Vampire used Heal to stop the Wizard from dying, picked her up, and carried her out. For the first time ever, I got use out of the Hide skill as the Vampire hid next to the building. The other two Toads got out, but the Adepts were looking for the Vampire anyway. Next round, the Vampire took Dire Wolf form and got the heck outta there.

Like I said, PULVERIZED. The PCs had NO CHANCE.

They DID get revenge, a bit later, however, by using Control Weather to level the city with an F5 Tornado, but that's another story . . .

 

[Alzrius]

U_K, here's a question on an oft-ignored aspect of divinity for your upcoming book:

How will the IH deal with divine resurrection? While, by the D&Dg rules, its (comparitively) not that hard to kill a god (please people, don't respond to this, there are other threads about that), bringing one back is supremely easy. Even given that they're Outsiders, all that means is that a high-level (not even an Epic level) character can just drop a Wish or Miracle to bring the god back, and there's no reason for the resurrected god to lose power. Heck, gods themselves should be bringing back their dead divine buddies all the time.

Obviously, it shouldn't/isn't supposed to work that way. More flavorful things we've seen talk about dead gods only coming back very very rarely, and then it usually takes a powerful artifact and/or a massive gathering of that god's old worshippers, etc. Will the IH make divine resurrection something truly daunting to do?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Alzrius mate!

U_K, here's a question on an oft-ignored aspect of divinity for your upcoming book:

Sure, fire away.

How will the IH deal with divine resurrection? While, by the D&Dg rules, its (comparitively) not that hard to kill a god (please people, don't respond to this, there are other threads about that), bringing one back is supremely easy. Even given that they're Outsiders, all that means is that a high-level (not even an Epic level) character can just drop a Wish or Miracle to bring the god back, and there's no reason for the resurrected god to lose power. Heck, gods themselves should be bringing back their dead divine buddies all the time.

Obviously, it shouldn't/isn't supposed to work that way. More flavorful things we've seen talk about dead gods only coming back very very rarely, and then it usually takes a powerful artifact and/or a massive gathering of that god's old worshippers, etc. Will the IH make divine resurrection something truly daunting to do?

Divine Resurrection is possible in the IH, but its incredibly difficult.

Without giving too much away, any destroyed deity needs to be recreated (rather than resurrected). This is involves an immense amount of worship point expenditure, far more than a deity of the same measure of power would possess.

So for example you would probably either need a Greater God to recreate a Lesser God.

Of course there are certain rituals and ceremonies you can go through to boost worship points so it might just be possible for a group of mortals to recreate a deity if they had an appropriate sacrifice on the holiest of days in the holiest of places etc.

Even through all that gods felled by another with the death portfolio (who trumped the first god in power) could not be returned unless by the hand of an even more powerful god with the Healing portfolio.

I hope that answers your question a little.

 

[Gez]

In other words, a miracle may resurrect the dead god, but won't restore him to his divine status... Interesting.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Gez mate!

In other words, a miracle may resurrect the dead god, but won't restore him to his divine status... Interesting.

No, you can't resurrect a Demigod or above, you must recreate them. But you could resurrect a Quasi-deity or below.

Technically you could always recreate them without Divine Power though, or less power.

 

[Alzrius]

I'm just glad your book is going to deal with this idea. I'm awaiting it even more eagerly now!

 

[Clay_More]

Hey, I was wondering, are you gonna include some form of Abomination Template, to create the misbegotten kind of spawns found in the ELH? I always liked the Abominations, especially the Atropal.

Is this thread gonna be remade soon, its approaching critical mass (Watch out Captain, shes gonna blow)
It might be a little unsuitable simply posting in your CR/EL thread, since thats not the purpose of that thread (and, I am really not that keen on CR systems, so I have very few comments on the matter). By Keen, I mean that I am interested, but not skilled to make deep comments. Seems as if though there are some people already responding there that are far more clever than me on the matter

I was actually wondering, will it be anyone we might know that is going to do the art, or will it be a text-mostly kind of book? I have kinda noticed (I have a bad habit of using peoples profile to see what they respond to) that you seem to get into the threads discussing D&D art. Even though, being a good writer is very important, good arts puts the text to life.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello again mate!

I'm just glad your book is going to deal with this idea. I'm awaiting it even more eagerly now!

Appreciate the love.

...I couldn't rightfully have a book about gods and not include the matter in question now could I!?