Immortals Handbook - Grimoire (Artifacts, Epic Magic discussion)

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

U_K!

Good idea, but what about a monk (and the legality of this is debatable) fighting with Two-weapon fightning? (Debatable because the description of monk says they are automatically assumed to do this, hence the flurry, but the rules don't say they can't. I think it helps monks personally, but it really is only cheese when you consider that monks can fight with their unarmed weapons reguardless of anything they hold in their hands. Some consider this to mean they can even make all their unarmed attacks with all their armed ones. ARRRGH why couldn't they just give monks full Bab and trash the crazy flurry/special unarmed attack rules they get that confuse everyone, including WotC )

I'd just give them the full amount of attacks when determining how many arrows they could deflect.

By the way, regarding Bow Wielders, has no one done a Rapid Shot feat chain yet? Improved, Greater, Perfect?

Also I was just wondering, how powerful would Manyshot be if you could use it as part of your Full Attack action.

e.g. 60th-level Ranger BAB +40, with Perfect Rapid Shot, and hasted = 9 Attacks/Round (all at -8* penalty). Then allow Perfect Manyshot with each attack 8 arrows per shot (all Shots at -14*) for a total of 72 shots per round.

*-22 total.

I'm thinking it would be a cosmic ability or possibly even transcendental - it seems very powerful.

Improved Manyshot (Epic feat) - Manyshot works at any range
Superior Manyshot (Divine Ability) - Manyshot deals critical damage
Perfect Manyshot (Cosmic Ability) - Combine Manyshot with Full Attack Action

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Servitor matey!

I got an idea for a spell yesterday, and since it seems like it would go beyond 9th level in power, I thought I'd put it here. Basically, the caster calls up a hand of molten iron from the earth, minimum Large size, increases every (#) caster levels to a maximum of two size categories smaller than the size of the planet the caster is on. The hand can grab a creature or object up to one size category smaller than itself. First round, the grabbed creature/object is trapped, suffering lots of heat damage. Second round, the target is squeezed, taking LOTS of crushing and heat damage, third round, if the target hasn't escaped somehow, it is dragged back into the earth. Vulnerability to crushing, fire, or suffocation means a quick death, otherwise the target is imprisoned.

Cool idea...or should that be hot.

You could (unofficially) call it Bigby's Molten Metal Mitt.

 

[Ltheb Silverfrond]

Hiya mate!



I'd just give them the full amount of attacks when determining how many arrows they could deflect.

By the way, regarding Bow Wielders, has no one done a Rapid Shot feat chain yet? Improved, Greater, Perfect?

Also I was just wondering, how powerful would Manyshot be if you could use it as part of your Full Attack action.

e.g. 60th-level Ranger BAB +40, with Perfect Rapid Shot, and hasted = 9 Attacks/Round (all at -8* penalty). Then allow Perfect Manyshot with each attack 8 arrows per shot (all Shots at -14*) for a total of 72 shots per round.

*-22 total.

I'm thinking it would be a cosmic ability or possibly even transcendental - it seems very powerful.

Improved Manyshot (Epic feat) - Manyshot works at any range
Superior Manyshot (Divine Ability) - Manyshot deals critical damage
Perfect Manyshot (Cosmic Ability) - Combine Manyshot with Full Attack Action

The suggested perfect manyshot ability would be powerful as a damage dealer. You could of course just allow for things like firing Orichalcum Arrows and such. (But not both, it would deal way too much damage. Like, thousands of dice too much)
A Rapid shot line of feats would be cool.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

The suggested perfect manyshot ability would be powerful as a damage dealer. You could of course just allow for things like firing Orichalcum Arrows and such. (But not both, it would deal way too much damage. Like, thousands of dice too much)
A Rapid shot line of feats would be cool.

I agree about the orichalcum arrows, although the modifier depends on the weight, and of course you need the strength prereq. to use Orichalcum anyway.

A power like Phase Shot would also probably help you reach your target in this manner.

However, I'm going to have to ban us all from this thread for derailing the topic and talking about powers in stead of items/spells.

Here are a few things I posted many months ago about balancing the (epic) spells above 9th-level.

20th-level spell ~ Teleport City
30th-level spell ~ Stasise Country
40th-level Spell ~ Anti-Magic Entire Planets Surface
50th-level spell ~ Destroy Planet
60th-level spell ~ Create Sun
70th-level spell ~ Summon Black Hole

90th-level spell ~ Move Galaxy

120th-level spell ~ Create Big Bang (So the base Prereqs for this spell would be Int 130 and 111 Automatic Metamagic Capacity feats). I wonder what the minimum level to cast this is...?

 

[paradox42]

However, I'm going to have to ban us all from this thread for derailing the topic and talking about powers in stead of items/spells.

I wonder what happens if a Moderator gets banned from a forum he or she moderates? If it can even be done, can they just un-ban themselves? I don't advise experimenting, but it's an interesting thought.

120th-level spell ~ Create Big Bang (So the base Prereqs for this spell would be Int 130 and 111 Automatic Metamagic Capacity feats). I wonder what the minimum level to cast this is...?

Probably somewhere around Demiurge Stage II, since at an absolute minimum you'd need 354 hit dice to get that many feats (and that assumes you spend feat slots on nothing else once you can take AMC at all, which is absurd). Since Demiurges are supposed to be the beings that give rise to universes at all, that seems fairly appropriate to me...

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey paradox mate!

I wonder what happens if a Moderator gets banned from a forum he or she moderates? If it can even be done, can they just un-ban themselves? I don't advise experimenting, but it's an interesting thought.

Something like that would probably create an umbral.

Probably somewhere around Demiurge Stage II, since at an absolute minimum you'd need 354 hit dice to get that many feats (and that assumes you spend feat slots on nothing else once you can take AMC at all, which is absurd). Since Demiurges are supposed to be the beings that give rise to universes at all, that seems fairly appropriate to me...

But what if you expended divine ability slots to get AMC feats. Also remember that Epic Class Levels typically give more feats than mere Hit Dice.

 

[Fieari]

I'm assuming then that the Grimorie will include some sort of metamagic feat that will lower a spell's level? Or are you just going to add a new use to AMC?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Fieari mate!

I'm assuming then that the Grimorie will include some sort of metamagic feat that will lower a spell's level? Or are you just going to add a new use to AMC?

Both.

 

[Servitor of Wrath]

Lessee...a greater deity Wiz80 created from an ascended human who rolled an 18 for Int could have Int 70 at that point without feats. After wishes and a headband of intellect +6, an Int of 81. 16 divine abilities could net the deity 96 feats in addition to 20 epic feats from basic progression and 20 from wizard bonus feats. 136 epic feats in total...put 49 into Great Intelligence and that leaves 87 for AutoMetaCapacity. 24 feats/4 divine abilities short. So a greater deity with minimum levels and DvR 20 could recreate the Big Bang.

 

[paradox42]

Lessee...a greater deity Wiz80 created from an ascended human who rolled an 18 for Int could have Int 70 at that point without feats. After wishes and a headband of intellect +6, an Int of 81. 16 divine abilities could net the deity 96 feats in addition to 20 epic feats from basic progression and 20 from wizard bonus feats. 136 epic feats in total...put 49 into Great Intelligence and that leaves 87 for AutoMetaCapacity. 24 feats/4 divine abilities short. So a greater deity with minimum levels and DvR 20 could recreate the Big Bang.

This hypothetical ascended Wizard gets an extra Divine ability, or at any rate an extra six feat slots. Any epic character above level 25 or so with access to item creation abilities (in itself or others) will go for the epic ability-boosting items instead of regular. So that Headband of INT +6 should, at the very least, be a Headband +12 instead. That's as far as the SRD goes, so going purely on published items that's all we can get, but the prices are trivial to extrapolate from there for higher ones- and I think we can all agree that an 80th-level character would be able to afford much better than merely +12. Enough to get the extra +18 to INT? I would estimate yes, but I admit I haven't actually bothered to work out the numbers yet.

Of course, my estimates have proven to be off in the past, so I'll just leave with that thought.