Imp Grapple ? (Can Natural attack sub for Imp Unarmed?)

[ARandomGod]

Now, if I could only take Improved Grab instead...

Is that a feat anywhere? Or just a specail ability? Because it's prereq's would be a natural attack, and it's so much better...

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Now, if I could only take Improved Grab instead...

Is that a feat anywhere? Or just a specail ability? Because it's prereq's would be a natural attack, and it's so much better...

It's a special ability only given to monsters that are particularly good at wrestling with things.

If it fits the new monster you're creating, give it the ability. Realize, though, that Improved Grab spells death for a lot of characters.

 

[ARandomGod]

It's a special ability only given to monsters that are particularly good at wrestling with things.

If it fits the new monster you're creating, give it the ability. Realize, though, that Improved Grab spells death for a lot of characters.

No, it's for a PC I'm playing. And I do realize that it spells death for a lot of characters... I've been those characters all to often.

^_^

And yes, there's no doubt that it would be overpowered. But that wouldn't have necessarily stopped it from existing... although I would have been surprised if it had existed and I hadn't known about it. Well, at least a little surprised.

It would definitely fit the PC!
Really, GM, noone would mind, it's not overpowered at all...

 

[Prism]

No, it's for a PC I'm playing. And I do realize that it spells death for a lot of characters... I've been those characters all to often.

^_^

And yes, there's no doubt that it would be overpowered. But that wouldn't have necessarily stopped it from existing... although I would have been surprised if it had existed and I hadn't known about it. Well, at least a little surprised.

It would definitely fit the PC!
Really, GM, noone would mind, it's not overpowered at all...

The main problem even if it was possible is that improved grab only typically works of 1 size category smaller than the grappler, which limits you if you aren't large

Besides attack normal AC, damage, grapple isn't much better than touch attack, grapple (at +4), damage (subdual) which is what you get from the improved grapple feat. Your only real argument is the barbed devil argument which is strong and sets precidence assuming no error

 

[ARandomGod]

The main problem even if it was possible is that improved grab only typically works of 1 size category smaller than the grappler, which limits you if you aren't large

Besides attack normal AC, damage, grapple isn't much better than touch attack, grapple (at +4), damage (subdual) which is what you get from the improved grapple feat. Your only real argument is the barbed devil argument which is strong and sets precidence assuming no error

You make a strong point Prism. Touch attack good. And I've got armor spikes (a couple levels of WF juggernaught).

 

[shilsen]

Now, if I could only take Improved Grab instead...

Is that a feat anywhere? Or just a specail ability? Because it's prereq's would be a natural attack, and it's so much better...

Check the Snatch feat in the MM. It has some similarities with Improved Grab, but is restricted by size.