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5E Inappropriate breasts on female monsters

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Elderbrain

Guest
Does it bug you when creatures that logically shouldn't have breasts are illustrated with them in D&D art? In the previous edition, Dragonborn, Minotaurs and Shard born females were all given breasts, even though Dragonborn are reptilian, Minotaurs would logically have udders, and Shard born aren't even biological. I think monsters and PC races should only be drawn with breasts if: 1) they would logically have them, or 2) they are traditionally depicted as having them. What do you think...?
 

Hussar

Legend
Why would Minotaur have udders? They only have bovine heads, and possibly legs depending on the artist. Their torso's are human. Do you think they have four stomachs and are herbivores as well?
 

Seethyr

Villager
It's really not that concerning to me. It's fantasy and I'm not terribly concerned about purely accurate anatomy for my monsters.
 

Desalus

Villager
I agree Elderbrain. I think it's just second nature for artists to draw anything that looks somewhat like a human with the defining human characteristics (male = larger/muscular, female = breasts). I would love it if the artists were more creative and thought outside of human characteristics when depicting different species.
 
Hi, I'm a woman who has taken up this cause, since men seem to miss the whole point..

Does it bug you when creatures that logically shouldn't have breasts are illustrated with them in D&D art? In the previous edition, Dragonborn, Minotaurs and Shard born females were all given breasts, even though Dragonborn are reptilian, Minotaurs would logically have udders, and Shard born aren't even biological. I think monsters and PC races should only be drawn with breasts if: 1) they would logically have them, or 2) they are traditionally depicted as having them. What do you think...?
Dragon born and Shardmind are PC races ( I guess Minotaurs can be) as a woman I want to play a woman. I identify some pretty basic features, and on a visual level Breast and hips are the easiest. I have no doubt that if a male PC was forces to visually represent themselves as a ken doll down there the explosion would be huge...

I have met only 1 woman gamer who had a problem with "Dragon boobs" but I've meet dozens of men who do. On the other hand I can count more woman gamers then I have fingers who would consider it an insult to woman everywhere to make anyone have to deal with "Well our fantasy race that can be made anyway we want have to not represent women"
 
I agree Elderbrain. I think it's just second nature for artists to draw anything that looks somewhat like a human with the defining human characteristics (male = larger/muscular, female = breasts). I would love it if the artists were more creative and thought outside of human characteristics when depicting different species.
so, would you be ok with it effecting male characters removing charactristics that men identify with in the real world?


edit: and if someone doesn't understand how a woman would consider breasts a major part of there self identity look up what happens with breast cancer and when you need to have them removed...
 

Paraxis

Villager
I have no issues at all with it, they are fantasy creatures that don't exist they can look like anything.

But if you need some kind of justification, just add it to the lore of the creatures.

When shardminds are formed they imprint for the pattern is taken from dreams of sleeping humanoids both male and female and the dreams help shape the shardminds into that idealized self image although made of crystals.

Minotaurs were originated from a magical curse on a human or group of humans so that most of the features have human characteristics.

Dragonborn were made by ancient dragons to help them in a war, the dragons had other humanoids in their armies and thought a form familiar to what those humanoids possesed would make them more welcome among the armies.

With magic, you don't need evolution and biology to try and justify why things look of should look the way they do. In D&D worlds the races were crafted by gods and magic so they can look like anything.

Without magic, explain why dragons can fly, insects can be horse sized, flumphs, and so on.

So dragonborn with breasts, no issues at all.

On a players perspective the women I game with tend to like their characters to look feminine, when they play dragonborn they like that it has breasts so they identify with it more. But different people different views, some women might dislike dragonborn with boobs and would rather play them without in this case just say those dragonborn are flat chested or say all female dragonborn in your world don't have breasts. It is like bearded dwarven women, sounds funny and all but I have never met a female gamer who wanted to play a bearded dwarven woman, but plenty that like to play dwarves.
 

Crothian

Villager
It's always interesting where people draw the line. A humanoid race that looks reptilian and may be descended from dragons is fine even though it may have unrealistic body structure, tails, and wings. But add breasts and suddenly there is a problem.
 

Desalus

Villager
so, would you be ok with it effecting male characters removing charactristics that men identify with in the real world?


edit: and if someone doesn't understand how a woman would consider breasts a major part of there self identity look up what happens with breast cancer and when you need to have them removed...
Yes, I would definitely be fine with the male gender being changed also. Why would I be unwilling to play a character that does not mirror my real life physical characteristics?
 

Desalus

Villager
It's always interesting where people draw the line. A humanoid race that looks reptilian and may be descended from dragons is fine even though it may have unrealistic body structure, tails, and wings. But add breasts and suddenly there is a problem.
Last time I checked reptiles don't have mammary glands to feed their young :lol:. If they are descended/evolved from dragons it doesn't make any sense for them to have breasts or nipples (unless the dragons are giving birth to live young and nursing them like a mammal).

Interestingly I found this as the reason why female Dragonborn are depicted as having breasts:

WOTC said in a panel a while back that the 4E Dragonborn had curves because their previous attempts at differentiating the genders (size, horn shapes, neck frills etc) kept scoring low with test audiences.


Source:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?305048-Why-do-female-dragonborn-have-breast/page3
 
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Thank Dog

Villager
so, would you be ok with it effecting male characters removing charactristics that men identify with in the real world?
You're generalising a generalisation. I don't want to get into a whole gender debate so suffice it to say that there are more types and representations of gender than merely genitals represent.

edit: and if someone doesn't understand how a woman would consider breasts a major part of there self identity look up what happens with breast cancer and when you need to have them removed...
I'll ask my sister about that but I'm pretty sure she still considers herself a woman.

Last time I checked reptiles don't have mammary glands to feed their young

Dude. It's a fantasy race. If you really need "realism" then accept that they're not reptiles, they're HUMANOIDS.
 
I'll ask my sister about that but I'm pretty sure she still considers herself a woman.

may I suggest you do so carefully and with a lot of sympathy... my mother had a lot of hard times coming to grips with it even after having an implant replace it...

On a players perspective the women I game with tend to like their characters to look feminine, when they play dragonborn they like that it has breasts so they identify with it more. But different people different views, some women might dislike dragonborn with boobs and would rather play them without in this case just say those dragonborn are flat chested or say all female dragonborn in your world don't have breasts. It is like bearded dwarven women, sounds funny and all but I have never met a female gamer who wanted to play a bearded dwarven woman, but plenty that like to play dwarves.
Thank you for reminding me of another misogynist bs that needs to die in a fire...
 

DMZ2112

Chaotic Looseleaf
In a non-human race? Sure.
Yes, I would definitely be fine with the male gender being changed also. Why would I be unwilling to play a character that does not mirror my real life physical characteristics?
I'll ask my sister about that but I'm pretty sure she still considers herself a woman.
I don't think any of you are getting [MENTION=82746]HardcoreDandDGirl[/MENTION] 's point.

She's not saying it makes sense that females of nonhuman species have breasts, nor that all female humans have breasts. All she's saying is that giving female members of non-human species breasts helps them appeal to the majority of female gamers who do have breasts and can therefore relate to them more easily.

I'm glad the three of you are open-minded about playing 'the other,' but I've met enough male gamers who only play male characters to say that if the PHB explicitly stated that male elves don't have penises, it would give them more than a few seconds' pause.
 
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Elderbrain

Guest
If 4th edition Minotaurs had been portrayed as having human chests (I.e no fur), then it might have looked more plausabile. But 4th ed Minotaurs are basically Bulls standing upright, albeit with furry arms and legs. In other words, they look like animals both top and bottom, unlike (say) Merfolk which have clearly Human-looking upper halves. And Dragonborn are the spawn of Dragons, which definitely don't have breasts. Anyway, what male anatomy...? Aside from bulging muscles, I have yet to see a D&D monster with a penis (or even a noticeable bulge drawn in the pants).
 

arjomanes

Explorer
I think artists portray anthropomorphic creatures in different ways. If the creature is meant to be more alien or monstrous it probably would have fewer features consistent withhumans.
 

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