Laman Stahros
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Rystil Arden said:
Mmm, let's see. Two feats and at least 6th level to get evasion that can be dispelled. Not too powerful. I would think this combo would be used to gain more powerful soulmelds. YMMV.
Incarnum Quibbles
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Mmm, let's see. Two feats and at least 6th level to get evasion that can be dispelled. Not too powerful. I would think this combo would be used to gain more powerful soulmelds. YMMV.
Rystil Arden
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Evasion and Uncanny Dodge. And the ability to switch in any other soulmeld or foot bind if you prefer it. I would not give out Evasion or Uncanny Dodge as feats, even if not for the versatility of picking something else.Laman Stahros said:
JustKim
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No, shape soulmeld lets you learn one soulmeld. You can't change it later. It takes two feats, which is significant, it can be dispelled easily, binding it prevents you from using magical boots. Meanwhile you probably aren't going to benefit too much from evasion because if you didn't have it already your reflex save is probably poor. The far better option is to simply take two levels of Rogue or buy the ring. If you don't allow these, well, your problem is with the evasion ability itself isn't it?
Rystil Arden
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I don't have a problem with taking two levels in Rogue or Monk, and in fact, I'm trying to avoid characters sidestepping those two levels. Remember, Ring of Evasion says that it lets you avoid damage as if you had Evasion, but it doesn't give Evasion. This can be important for, say, a Fochluchan Lyrist. You're also leaving out the gain of Uncanny Dodge. The question becomes, would you allow a feat tree that gave Uncanny Dodge followed by Evasion (and a minor skill boost). I wouldn't, but maybe you would. It is perhaps a testament to the Incarnum system, however, that you can buy into it with feats in a way that it so balanced that this is the only shortcut that I would consider an exploit.JustKim said:
Rystil Arden
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It isn't temporary--it's permanent until dispelled or unshaped. "Any soulmelds previously shaped that he chooses to retain do not need to be reshaped"JustKim said:
Just a note: if you use the feats to qualify for Fochluchan Lyrist, and then shift out of the Evasion ability, you lose all class features of the Fochluchan Lyrist.
You keep HD, BAB and Saves, but everything else is gone. That's going to hit your spellcasting *hard*.
(See Complete Warrior page 16).
Cheers!
You keep HD, BAB and Saves, but everything else is gone. That's going to hit your spellcasting *hard*.
(See Complete Warrior page 16).
Cheers!
Rystil Arden
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Oh, definitely agreed that you lose all the abilities if you shift out after using it as a qualifier. But that Prestige Class is very strong, balanced only by the entry requirements, as I know you agree, and this Incarnum combo potentially allows Wizard3/Druid3/MysticTheurge3/HarperMage1/FochluchanLyristXMerricB said:
Anax
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Rystil Arden said:
ETOOMANYPRESTIGECLASSES.
Do many DMs really let players get away with this kind of abuse? I might let someone get away with two prestige classes, particularly if one of them was a five-level class, or one of the “dual-class” PrCs.
But I’d never let a player gain a third unless they had a really, really good in-character reason. (And I really can’t think of any such reason.)
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