Incense of Meditation

[Infiniti2000]

You're not following that line of discussion, Scion. We weren't talking directly about the incense. And I beg to differ, it is important.

 

[Scion]

You're not following that line of discussion, Scion. We weren't talking directly about the incense. And I beg to differ, it is important.

You were responding to a post about the incense and about what opportunity you have to prepare spells. Sounds pretty related, hence my comment.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Scroll up. We were discussing arcane preparation, not the incense. But, maybe I just have no clue what your post means.

 

[Scion]

Scroll up. We were discussing arcane preparation, not the incense. But, maybe I just have no clue what your post means.

I did, and both of you are talking about timing issues that have to deal with preparing spells and using the incense within those issues.

You asked if it was still possible given the rules to prepare the spells being maximized and he said yes, you could leave even leave the slots open.

I am not sure what your rest arguement has to do with anything in this thread however. Yes spellcasters need to have rest before preparing spells. No it doesnt effect the items effects.

 

[Veril]

Have a rules quote for this somewhere?

I use the DMG. It's says +1 caster level. Not +1 level for each class. It specified that you get 1 caster level.

 

[Scion]

I use the DMG. It's says +1 caster level. Not +1 level for each class. It specified that you get 1 caster level.

I am afraid that you are not making any sense here. It does not say that you pick a certain class when you put it up, it does not say that you pick a certain type of magic when you put it up, it only mentions that you get +1 caster level.

As such, every time you cast a spell it is at +1 caster level. It doesnt matter if you have 20 different casting classes, everytime you cast a spell from any of them it is at +1 caster level.

Unless you can find something specific which goes against that.

 

[Infiniti2000]

I did, and both of you are talking about timing issues that have to deal with preparing spells and using the incense within those issues.

You asked if it was still possible given the rules to prepare the spells being maximized and he said yes, you could leave even leave the slots open.

I am not sure what your rest arguement has to do with anything in this thread however. Yes spellcasters need to have rest before preparing spells. No it doesnt effect the items effects.

Okay, like I said, you are not following the conversation at all, so just drop it -- it doesn't concern you.

 

[Krelios]

I does not. It says "all HIS spells"... "his" is refering to the DIVINE spellcaster.

For the record then, if we're getting hung up about the word "all," should we be getting equally hung up about "his?" I suppose next we'll hear that it works for arcane or divine spells, but only for male casters, since it says "his" and not "his or hers." For Pete's sake, it's clear what the intention is and those people who are trying to abuse it should be able to see that.

Why would a divine casters' item function for arcane spellcasters? If it worked for any kind of spell, why mention divine at all? Why would it work for a Cleric1/Wizard5 and not a Wizard6? The argument that you must be able to do something because the rules don't explicitly say you can't certainly doesn't hold water. The rules don't say that humans can't fly around and emit purple lightning from their eyes, so obviously, they must be able to.

 

[Scion]

So why exactly couldnt they mean exactly what they said? Maybe it is supposed to work that way for multiclassed characters. Maybe they intended from the start to have it that way and people who are limiting it to divine only are going against the intent.

It isnt that the rules are not saying something and we are assuming in a vacuum, it literally 'does' say 'all'.

Of course humans cant fly, they dont have a fly speed.

Of course this item isnt limited to only divine spells, it doesnt specify divine only.

Same thing.

If you wish to assume that they meant something different than what they said and use that feel free, everyone has their own little list of rules modifications so that they make more sense to them.

 

[IcyCool]

So why exactly couldnt they mean exactly what they said? Maybe it is supposed to work that way for multiclassed characters. Maybe they intended from the start to have it that way and people who are limiting it to divine only are going against the intent.

It isnt that the rules are not saying something and we are assuming in a vacuum, it literally 'does' say 'all'.

Of course humans cant fly, they dont have a fly speed.

Of course this item isnt limited to only divine spells, it doesnt specify divine only.

Same thing.

If you wish to assume that they meant something different than what they said and use that feel free, everyone has their own little list of rules modifications so that they make more sense to them.

You could always try to infer from earlier editions what was intended.