Incense of Meditation

[Scion]

I agree that the thuerge should get all their spells maximized

Good enough.

just that it was not the explicit intent of the item.

I think you mean something other than explicit. Explicitly it 'is' meant to maximize all spells.

Perhaps it was 'intended' differently, but that isnt what it does. For all we know it was intended to make frogs rain from the sky but was written so poorly as to have nothing to do with frogs or the sky.

 

[Infiniti2000]

...it doesn't say that a wizard must prepare spells IMMEDIATELY after resting...

Actually, as I quoted on the first page, that's exactly what it DOES say. "Immediately prior" does mean immediately. Check it out again and let us know if you still think wizards can use this item.

 

[Scion]

Actually, as I quoted on the first page, that's exactly what it DOES say. "Immediately prior" does mean immediately. Check it out again and let us know if you still think wizards can use this item.

He has to rest one hour before preparing his spells. However, he does not have to have his 8 hours of rest immediatly prior.

So the timing is still good to go for the guy.

Sleepy-rest-time for 8 hours, meditate for 8 hours, prepare spells all maximized.

 

[werk]

Actually, as I quoted on the first page, that's exactly what it DOES say. "Immediately prior" does mean immediately. Check it out again and let us know if you still think wizards can use this item.

I guess I don't see the word 'immediately' in the rules.

"After resting, a wizard must study her spellbook to prepare any spells that day."

Technically, the incense lasts 24 hours, and doesn't say anything about immediately praying for spells...so he could incense, then sleep, then mem, then pray.

Logistically it totally works for me either way, it's just a DM call whether it can work on arcane spells.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Okay, I provided the quote from the SRD. Is that insufficient? If not, turn to page 178 in your 3.5 PH and read the section on Rest. When you get to "immediately prior" we'll be on the same page, metaphorically speaking of course.

 

[Jhulae]

Yet, Wizards can leave slots blank and spend time filling them up later if they desire.

So, my Cleric/Wizard rests 8 hours then immediately prepares one 0-level arcane spell. I save the rest of my arcane slots to fill later.

 

[Veril]

hey veril, if I have an orange ioun stone which part gets the bonus?

You decide when you start it spinning. You still only get 1 caster level out of it though no matter how many classes you have.

If I cast dispel magic do I have to pick whether it effects arcane 'or' divine?

No. It affects both. Just like the spell says.

If I pick up the empower feat do I have to pick whether it works for my arcane things only or my divine things only?

No. It affects both.

In D&D there is magic, this is split into two distinct branches, arcane and divine, but both are magic (psionics is a 3rd type of magic but talking Core phb/dmb/mm). Some things are common betweeen them, some things are different. They can be treated the same unless they are differentiated in the rules. Incense applies the standard rules differentiator - it talks about divine.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Yet, Wizards can leave slots blank and spend time filling them up later if they desire.

So, my Cleric/Wizard rests 8 hours then immediately prepares one 0-level arcane spell. I save the rest of my arcane slots to fill later.

Good response, but not quite good enough. My emphasis, and selective cutting and pasting (I don't think anything pertinent has been left out, but read the rest for yourself under Spell Selection and Preparation): "Later during that day, she can repeat the preparation process as often as she likes... That sort of preparation [filling open slots] requires a mind fresh from rest."

 

[Scion]

You decide when you start it spinning. You still only get 1 caster level out of it though no matter how many classes you have.

Have a rules quote for this somewhere?

No. It affects both. Just like the spell says.

Thats just it, it doesnt say. It uses the exact same wording as the item here does. Yet you assume one thing for one and a completely different thing for the other.

Inconsistant.

No. It affects both.

Exactly, just like the incense of meditation does.

In D&D there is magic, this is split into two distinct branches, arcane and divine, but both are magic (psionics is a 3rd type of magic but talking Core phb/dmb/mm). Some things are common betweeen them, some things are different. They can be treated the same unless they are differentiated in the rules. Incense applies the standard rules differentiator - it talks about divine.

It does not say divine spells, this is the part you are making up.

It says that it needs to be 'activated' by a divine caster but then it says all spells.

Just like the divine version of dispel magic needs a divine caster to activate it but it also effects all spells.

They have the same wording. There is nothing there that says, 'divine spells only'. It says, 'divine caster activates, all of the spells he prepares for the next 24 hours are maximized'.

 

[Scion]

Good response, but not quite good enough. My emphasis, and selective cutting and pasting (I don't think anything pertinent has been left out, but read the rest for yourself under Spell Selection and Preparation): "Later during that day, she can repeat the preparation process as often as she likes... That sort of preparation [filling open slots] requires a mind fresh from rest."

It is unimportant, resting is not restricted anywhere by the incense. Just because you have been infused, or are being infused, with the power to maximize your spells does not mean that you are incapable of resting before, during, or afterwards. Especially there are no restrictions on afterwards.