Incense of Meditation

[Scion]

Which, you don't seem to be doing...

the benefit of the magic item is all in one sentence... so... the "enables him to prepare all his spells as though maximized" is directly refering to the first part of the sentence, where it says.. " When a DIVINE spellcaster lights a block..."

The divine caster gets the benefit, but it is not limited to 'only' his divine spells. It is 'all' of his spells.

So, if he is Divine Caster X/Other Caster Y then all of 'both' types of spells would get maximized, they are both 'his' spells.

I suppose you would allow a clericX/DruidY to get both maximized anyway.

still though, useing basic english if we have joe Divine X/Arcane Y and someone sees him cast a spell, any spell, would it be appropriate to say, 'hey, that divine caster just cast that spell'? Yes it would, and it doesnt matter whether the spell was arcane or divine.

 

[mikebr99]

The divine caster gets the benefit, but it is not limited to 'only' his divine spells. It is 'all' of his spells.

The default answer in D&D is... that you only get what is specifically spelled out in a spell of magic item... the description is the max the thing can do. And the item is maximizing the divine caster's divine spells.

So, if he is Divine Caster X/Other Caster Y then all of 'both' types of spells would get maximized, they are both 'his' spells.

Sure... if he is a multi-divine caster.

I suppose you would allow a clericX/DruidY to get both maximized anyway.

yup.

still though, useing basic english if we have joe Divine X/Arcane Y and someone sees him cast a spell, any spell, would it be appropriate to say, 'hey, that divine caster just cast that spell'? Yes it would, and it doesnt matter whether the spell was arcane or divine.

Sure... if I didn't have any skill in Spellcraft.


Mike

 

[Scion]

The default answer in D&D is... that you only get what is specifically spelled out in a spell of magic item... the description is the max the thing can do. And the item is maximizing the divine caster's divine spells.

The item says, 'all spells', not 'divine spells'. So you are getting just what it says if you have it do it for 'all spells', if you limit it to 'divine spells only' then you have a houserule.

Sure... if I didn't have any skill in Spellcraft.

It doesnt matter if you know what type of spell it is. The guy already knows that the person can cast, say, heal and a few other divine spells and preaches at their church all of the time. He definately casts divine spells.

Then he casts a fireball. He is still a divine caster, even if he cast a fireball. Casting the fireball does not make him no longer a 'divine caster'. It only makes him 'also' an arcane caster.

 

[mikebr99]

The item says, 'all spells'

I does not. It says "all HIS spells"... "his" is refering to the DIVINE spellcaster.

 

[Scion]

I does not. It says "all HIS spells"... "his" is refering to the DIVINE spellcaster.

Yeah, and as I keep saying, if he has levels in two types of magic his arcane spells are still 'his' spells. He is the divine spellcaster, he is the one who lit the incense, his spells are maximized. All of his spells.

 

[mikebr99]

Yeah, and as I keep saying, <snip>

I know what you keep saying... you are reading too much into the item.

4,900 gp gives all the character's divine spells, and only divine spells, maximized variables, for 24 hours.


Mike

 

[Scion]

I know what you keep saying... you are reading too much into the item.

you are the one reading words that are not there. all means all. all does not mean some.

 

[Veril]

As for the candle, you light it and then must remain within the area meditating. So, the activation is lighting it. Much like when you activate a ring of invisibility you are then invisible until you perform a hostile action. Just because you are invisible does not mean it is taxing, you are already done with the item anyway. Or, much like casting a light spell, the wizard must stay within some light reading his book. Casting the light spell and sitting within its radiance is not taxing.

So, 8 hours of meditation and prayer can be pretty relaxing, people do it all of the time in the real world as a mode of relaxation. Without further game terms then we have to fall to that (if meditation and prayer happens to be exhausting or nonrestful to you that isnt important here, we can simply assume that it is restful unless your diety specifically makes it not).

Next we have the actual item description: A divine caster must light it. ok. Then they must spend 8 hours near it meditating. Ok. now they get to prepare their spells and all are maximised. All right, all of my prepared spells are maximised.

If I light the Incense then move away, and stop meditating for 15 mins, then come back and continue meditating do I get the benefit of it? Yes or No.

Clearly the answer is No.

Therefor to use the item requires that the caster light it and remain there for 8 hours. Both parts are necessary in order to derive the benefits of the item. Both parts are needed to use the item in order to get the benefits from the item. Both parts are therefor the "use item" bit.

That means the prayer and meditation are the use condition.

Prayer is clearly not a restful activity in D&D.

 

[mikebr99]

you are the one reading words that are not there. all means all. all does not mean some.

heh... obviously I'm not going to convince you.

But are others getting it? (not ones already in this "camp")


Mike

 

[Veril]

First: It's clear from the way that D&D is written and classes are written that Divine and Arcane magics are different. Mechanics are generally harmonised but everything in the rules make it clear and obvious that there is Divine Magics and Arcane Magics, and that Divine Magics are not Arcane Magics.

Second: It's clear that in the case of a multi-classed spell caster their magics are considered seperatly from each other for all purposes. The section on class features under multiclassing is clear about what class features 'stack' or work together - these are listed as special cases (i.e. familiar for sorc/wiz stacks). Your spellcasting as an arcane caster has no effect on or linkage to your spellcasting as a divine caster.

It's either blindingly obvious to you that the Incesnse is meant to apply to divine spells only (when you consider 1 and 2 above) or that you really are an idiot. The incesnse applys to the Divine caster bit of you, not the arcane bit.

Finally It's known that not everything is written down and defined to the nth degree in all the PHB/DMG/MM and that in some cirumstances you actully have to rely on judgement and interpretation.