Incense of Meditation

[Scion]

I would consider meditating to be like rest, but not praying.

You must do some really strenuous praying then.

Strangely, meditation is a form of prayer in some places. Hmm..

 

[Thanee]

There are different forms of meditation.

I mean those that are used to empty one's mind, those are relaxing and will allow you to rest.

Prayer, however, focuses the mind. It is a mental activity requiring concentration. That doesn't equal rest in the strict sense a spellcaster needs.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Scion]

Prayer, however, focuses the mind. It is a mental activity requiring concentration. That doesn't equal rest in the strict sense a spellcaster needs.

This is your opinion. My opinion is the opposite, at least for the last part.

Focusing your mind and emptying ones mind can be, and typically are, the same thing. Depending on which way you look at it.

I definately dont see it as breaking rest, especially since the whole activity can be little more than relaxing with some incense and thinking upon something you enjoy. A daydream if you will.

If 'thinking at all' is not restful then no one will 'ever' be rested from sleep in the strict sense.

 

[Li Shenron]

The masculine in english is generally assumed to be gender neutral when used in this sense. Although a lot of d&d suppliments, and other books, are going more towards always useing the feminine, but again it is effectively gender neutral in the way it is used.

Eh no... the books don't specify that as a general rule. On the contrary, the PHB almost always uses "she" and "her" to refer to both, while in this case it used "him" instead.

If you want to go by the last word of the RAW, you have to go by the last word of the RAW

 

[Ovinomancer]

So why can't the wizard rest for 8 hours and then light the incense. He has had his rest, so preparing spells should no longer be a problem.

For the record, I read this the same way Scion does. I just add 'divine' in the appropriate place when I run. As written, the intent is clear, but the text is ambiguious.

 

[Krelios]

This is a ludricrous argument. It is firmly in two camps. Those who choose to read the rules in a way that makes sense given the nature of the item and is in balance with the power it provides (i.e. that it only works for divine spells), and munchkins, who are trying to abuse what they consider unclear wording to get extra power from an item that was clearly not intended to be used in the way they think it can be.

Ask your DM. In my world, you won't be using a cleric item to maximize your wizard spells.

 

[Scion]

Eh no... the books don't specify that as a general rule.

Strangely, we still have to use the rules of english a lot of the time while reading something in english.

I know it is hard to understand

 

[Scion]

This is a ludricrous argument. It is firmly in two camps.

I am afraid that your contention here is the ludicrous part. It is obvious to see which side you are on and so you then try to insult the other side.

We are in the rules forum, what you actually do in your own games comes after what the rules actually say. We can argue 'intent' all day long but who is to say that the intent wasnt that all prepared spells are maximized like it says? Even the person, if it was only one person, who designed it likely doesnt remember anymore and they simply have some opinion. Or even if they meant it in a certain way and wrote it completely differently are we just supposed to say, 'well, they must've meant it in this other way that goes against what it says because I think it is more balanced that way'. Not useful.

Personally, I will be disallowing the item completely until I can think of a useful way to make this not broken. It doesnt matter if it only effects divine or not, it is simply to cheap and easy at higher levels for a divine caster to suddenly become an insane blaster. While in the hands of the pc's it might not matter as much (although this is debateable) in the hands of the npc's it can spell certain doom whenever used.


The text literally states that it works in a certain way. A divine caster lights the incense, meditates and prays for 8 hours, and then he can spend his normal period of memorizing and get 'all' of his spells maximized.

So it clearly states it is only useful to divine casters, but not that he is then limited to only his divine spells.

You may find this broken, that is fine, I find the whole item broken, but just disliking how it works doesnt change the text. Feel free to make it work differently in your games, I know I will be.

 

[Scion]

So why can't the wizard rest for 8 hours and then light the incense. He has had his rest, so preparing spells should no longer be a problem.

For the record, I read this the same way Scion does. I just add 'divine' in the appropriate place when I run. As written, the intent is clear, but the text is ambiguious.

Do you feel that the item is balanced even with the limitation to divine only?

 

[mikebr99]

Strangely, we still have to use the rules of english a lot of the time while reading something in english.

Which, you don't seem to be doing...

the benefit of the magic item is all in one sentence... so... the "enables him to prepare all his spells as though maximized" is directly refering to the first part of the sentence, where it says.. " When a DIVINE spellcaster lights a block..."

Mike