Incorporeal attacks

[jlhorner1974]

*ROTFLMAO*

 

[Hypersmurf]

Still, I contend that the "incorporeal touch attack" wording is poor and easily misinterpreted.
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Obviously, or we wouldn't be having this discussion

Oh, come on. You know better than that.

The wording could be clear as day, and we could still build a four-page thread arguing about it

(cf Perform skill...)

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Yeah, but isn't it weird that everyone who had different opinions at the beginning of this thread has basically already agreed on how it should work, without a Sage ruling?

Not yet - I still disagree with Auraseer about how GT weapons work

-Hyp.

 

[IceBear]

Oh, come on. You know better than that.

The wording could be clear as day, and we could still build a four-page thread arguing about it

(cf Perform skill...)

-Hyp.

The scary thing is that is sooooooooo true.

At best I've been engaged in a debate where everyone has just said "Let's just agree to disagree" and then everyone moves on to another thread.

IceBear

 

[AuraSeer]

Not yet - I still disagree with Auraseer about how GT weapons work

What? Blasphemer! Destroy the infidel!

 

[jlhorner1974]

Here we go again....

 

[Wippit Guud]

Well, my thread is about to have it's second hi-jack...

 

[LokiDR]

Hmm, hi-jacking you say?

If mage armor is a force effect, and this will effect an incorporeal creature, does a mage armor on a monk act like ghost touch? Sorry couldn't resist.


P.S.
Ghost touch should apply armor that it is on to AC of the person against an incorporeal creature. If they only make touch attacks, there is no reason for this enchantment.

 

[AuraSeer]

The Sage replies

My question in italics, the Sage's words in bold:

Hi there. I have a question about incorporeal touch attacks, such as that of a spectre.

Should this be read as an incorporeal "touch attack," or as an "incorporeal touch" attack? That is, does it follow the rules for incorporeal attacks (which can be stopped by ghost touch armor), or the rules for touch attacks (which ignore armor altogether)?

It's the latter--that's why it's called an incorporeal touch attack. If incorporeal creatures made touch attacks, the game would call their attacks touch attacks.

All the incorporeal creatures in the Monster Manual appear to have "incorporeal touch" attacks. If these are treated as touch attacks, is there any such thing as an incorporeal attack that *isn't* a touch attack?

A manifested ghost using a ghost touch weapon is incorporeal, but can make normal attacks, and see previous answer.

In short, Mage Armor does protect against a spectre's touch. (The wording is a little awkward, since he says "the latter" with an unclear antecedent. But by the context, it's clear that he means an incorporeal touch attack is different from a normal touch attack.)

 

[Hypersmurf]

Re: The Sage replies

Originally posted by the Sage
A manifested ghost using a ghost touch weapon is incorporeal, but can make normal attacks

I like him

-Hyp.