Incorporeal Vs. Bracers of Armor

[IceBear]

Uh Icebear, you may want to read what I wrote. I was always arguing against the position that force armor doesn't work against incorp touch attacks.

I was just stating my disappointment that the excellent posts made in this thread to prove that bracers DO work against incorp touch were apparently less convincing than a one line quote from a document that is not official errata and often disagrees with core rules.

Whoops....sorry

 

[Caliban]

Now, what about Luck bonuses to AC?

They aren't armor or natural armor, so they would apply against any touch attack, incorporeal or not.

 

[HeavyG]

A common misconception.

A touch attack ignores armor and natural armor bonuses. Anything else still applies.

How about cover ?

 

[Caliban]

How about cover ?

Is cover an armor bonus or natural armor bonus?

No, it's a cover bonus. Therefore it applies against a touch attacks.

 

[Taren Seeker]

How about cover ?

For reg touch, cover works unless it's a tower shield.

For incorp...that's an interesting question. I would say that it would be DM discretion based on the situation. Of course if it was force cover it would work...but for regular cover maybe I would convert the cover % to concealment since the creature can't see through solid objects. Actually a better solution would be if the attack roll hits the cover then apply a 50% miss chance.

 

[Taren Seeker]

Whoops....sorry

Sorry if I sounded harsh at the start there.

 

[HeavyG]

For reg touch, cover works unless it's a tower shield.

For incorp...that's an interesting question.

Yeah, I meant for incorporeal attacks. I should have been clearer.

 

[Berk]

Ummm, why wouldn't cover from a tower shield count on a regular touch attack? You don't hold the tower shield there, you put it down and stand behind it.

 

[Taren Seeker]

It's a specific exception under the description of tower shield.

Even though you place the tower like a barrier you still need to hold, brace and direct it. Due to this it's considered a "part of you" and can be targeted by touch attacks.

 

[Berk]

true, but then again, if you are smart you have someone else hold and brace the tower shield in place so this way you can actually do other stuff like firing a bow, instead of trying to hold and brace a tower shield in front of you

the cover still counts, depending on who is targeted from behind it. I mean tower shields were used for ranged combat, a set of men holding the shields up and another set shooting bows from behind them. kinda hard to fire a bow or do anything else when you are trying to hold and brace a tower shield in place.

but if you are just hiding behind it then sure you are correct