Invisibility and Scrolls?

[Bauglir]

I was just going to say the very same thing

I'll say it anyway, as I'm all geared up to say it now.

You could:

Place the scroll on the ground (ME), then cast from it (Partial)

Drop the scroll as a free action, cast from it as a partial action, & move.


Just hope it lands right-side-up

 

[Skaros]

I was just going to say the very same thing

I'll say it anyway, as I'm all geared up to say it now.

You could:

Place the scroll on the ground (ME), then cast from it (Partial)

Drop the scroll as a free action, cast from it as a partial action, & move.


Just hope it lands right-side-up

Of course the scroll would immediately roll back up into the rolled position it is stored in....so thats not a good work around.

I'll probably just allow the character to see himself....in fact, I have ruled that way before in my group. Seems consistent, given invis sphere, and I don't see any compelling arguments in either direction.

-Skaros

 

[hammymchamham]

just find a couple rocks to leave it unrolled...

 

[kengar]

just find a couple rocks to leave it unrolled...

I agree. I'm not going to get into that level of detail with my players. I'm going to assume -unless there is some environmental factor like strong winds, a flooded floor, etc. to prevent it- they can get the scroll to lie flat enough to read.

 

[Murrdox]

Wow, so many people rule that invisible people can't see themselves! I never even THOUGHT about it... I just assumed it.

I mean... if you couldn't see yourself... how do you not have any penalties whatsoever to ANY skills or abilities while invisible?

I mean, there's nothing wrong with a Rogue using Disable Device while invisible... and I think most would argue that being able to see your hands and exactly what you are doing is important for that ability. Or else take craft skills, or whatever else.

 

[hammymchamham]

Personally, I dont have a problem with invisible people seeing themselves. if the rules say otherwise, I'll just rule 0. I just view it like Frodo from LotR. I mean, no one can see him, but I sure as heck think he can see himself in that movie. (At least we the viewer can)

 

[guido1999]

This is just a tangent regarding setting down scrolls and reading them, but if you read the description of a scroll in the DMG, it states that most scrolls have wood or some other material attached to the top and bottom. So if you really wanted to set one down, I would think that that would be enough to hold it in place under normal circumstances.

 

[Black Omega]

Wow, so many people rule that invisible people can't see themselves! I never even THOUGHT about it... I just assumed it.

I mean... if you couldn't see yourself... how do you not have any penalties whatsoever to ANY skills or abilities while invisible?

I mean, there's nothing wrong with a Rogue using Disable Device while invisible... and I think most would argue that being able to see your hands and exactly what you are doing is important for that ability.

This could be argued. But there is no mention in the rules of any penalty for such a situation. So it doesn't really help in interpreting the rules. I'm a little surprised scrolls and invisibility has never been clarified.

I've been leaning toward allowing a caster to use scrolls invisible mostly because it helps the PC's. My baddies can cast as many spells as I give them, relatively speaking.

 

[Murrdox]

What about a penalty to ranged attacks?

How are you going to aim a bow? Sure you can hold the bow out in the general direction of the guy you want to hit... but since you can't see the bow, you can't use the arrow as a sight for where you're aiming to.

 

[Dash Dannigan]

A minor point I know...

If an invisible caster cannot see themselves then they can cast a scroll by (as has been said) droping the scroll on the ground as a free action (the scroll becomes visible). Picking it up as a move equivalent, and casting it as a standard action. The caster can now see the "visible" scroll as picked up objects become invisible only if tucked into a pocket or their clothing...

Invisibility mind you is a powerful ability and it is not easy to be in such a state. As invisibility spehere states specifically and invisibility does not I'd go with invisible creatures being unable to view themselves. Perhaps things will be clarified to better satisfaction this summer?