Is it inherently evil to summon up a demon?

[Angcuru]

You really need to know Tak before you judge him. From what my character has seen, Tak only summons demons in order to procure information. And in any case, he always has a warrior-type in the room when he's doing it, and both wear masks that prevent the demon from controlling them or learning their true indentities. AND he always makes sure that they are properly bound by multiple means to speak the truth and hold back any evil intent.

And Blackshirt, you DO realize that if Tak becomes a Mystic Pimp, Angcuru will be forced to drive Balefire through his chest, right?

 

[Merlion]

Yes the spell would be an evil spell mechanicaly. although as has been mentioned the full effects of this are left up to the DM.
Personaly from what you describe, I dont feel the wizard is comiting evil acts..at this point. But it IS a very large risk...depending also on the type of demon(Glabrezu's and Succubi tend to focus on corruption). He's not doing evil right now but he's taking a big risk.
In general, it mainly depends on the campaign and the nature of demons, and magic within that campaign.

 

[green slime]

You really need to know Tak before you judge him. From what my character has seen, Tak only summons demons in order to procure information.
>>snip<<

MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (Evil DM-type laughter)

Oh yes... Why aren't my players like this...

That is like summoning the Iraqi Minister for Information!

Or Goebbels!

Or...

just jiving of course... YMMV, Merlion has a point. I just point out how things work IMC...

 

[blackshirt5]

And Blackshirt, you DO realize that if Tak becomes a Mystic Pimp, Angcuru will be forced to drive Balefire through his chest, right?

I don't think that Angcuru would say that when Tak summons up a dryad for that poor soul.

 

[Olive]

ok: IMC a cleric or paladin cannot summon (using a summoning spell) or call (using planar ally etc) a creature that would not be serving that PC's god. not allowed.

a wizard can summon what ever they like, but if a LG wizard is constantly summoning evil creatures to decimate his enemies, there might be some questions asked. Calling (planar binding) is dodgier, as it involves bargining, and thats dangerous. Still not inherantly evil, as the evil depends mostly on the bargin reached, the reason for the summoning etc.

using the demonology rules from the mongoose book is similar, but probably more dangerous because it of the way that evil acts are rewarded.

So IMC, inherently evil? no. dangerous? hell yes (excuse the pun)

 

[Tiefling]

I think that it is decisively and irrefutably an evil act. However, it is not damnably so depending on the context. The real threat is that, no matter how good the intentions, a demon's power to pervert and seduce even the most noble aspirations toward the cruellest of deeds should never be underestimated.

Wouldn't that make it dangerous, not evil?

 

[Angcuru]

I don't think that Angcuru would say that when Tak summons up a dryad for that poor soul.

Y'know I think I mentioned this during Char-gen, but Angcuru is a lot like me. He'll only f*ck something if there is mutual love involved. Unlike some people...... why don't you tell them the story about Khrystal(spelling intentionally messed up) and her dog? Tells a lot about your taste in women.

 

[blackshirt5]

Why don't I tell them the story about you being afraid of not only Holly, but Toni?

 

[kenjib]

Or not, kenjib. I think it'll depend how far the players let him lean over the edge before they forcibly grab him by the neck and haul him away from that particular cliff.

Does redemption make a prior act of evil no longer evil? No. It grants forgiveness but does not change divine morality. And why would someone morally pure risk that precipice in the first place? This person is consorting and bargaining with a force of pure evil. Not an evil creature, but a creature created of the very stuff of evil and driven to corrupt and damn every other thing to the full extent of it's power.

In my opinion, if there is no grave risk of evil coming from such an act (if nothing else to start the cycle, simply the seduction of power and pride), then the demon is not being played properly. Demons never play fair and they never give anything for free.

Wouldn't that make it dangerous, not evil?

Summoning the demon in the first place is intentionally opening the door for evil to occur. Anyone with enough knowledge to summon a demon surely knows this. Isn't intentionally increasing the chance for evil things to happen an evil act? Demons want to be summoned. They want to strike bargains.

Anyway, just my opinion on the matter.

 

[Angcuru]

Why don't I tell them the story about you being afraid of not only Holly, but Toni?

Toni : I don't go for fat chicks, and she already went with you, so even if for some unforseen reason I wanted to, she's tained.

Holly: There are some women who just don't sit well with me(don't twist my words, you sadistic freak), and she happends to be one of them. Also, she already went with you, so even if for some unforseen reason I wanted to, she's tained.


And before you go any further, I'm simply shy around girls whom I'm attracted to. End of story.