Is it possible for a charmed creature to attack its charmer?
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Kahuna Burger
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My take is that, no, a charmed creature cannot attack the charmer. A charmed creature who has been attacked, asked to kill himself or won an opposed charisma check on a "absolutely would not do" command can, but then the charm has ended.
People have come up with a lot of hypotheticals where a character would normally choose their principals over their friends and cease their friendly attitude towards someone they usually have one towards - but as mentioned above, deciding to stop being friendly isn't really an option in the context of the spell.
As with the suggestion spell, it is entirely possible that after the spell effect is over, the character will say "What on [insert planet/plane here] was I THINKING??????" and regret their actions. If they had lost some charisma checks and done things they normally Just Wouldn't Do, I personally might even automaticly give them the +5 'being attacked' bonus if the same caster ever tried it again.
People have come up with a lot of hypotheticals where a character would normally choose their principals over their friends and cease their friendly attitude towards someone they usually have one towards - but as mentioned above, deciding to stop being friendly isn't really an option in the context of the spell.
As with the suggestion spell, it is entirely possible that after the spell effect is over, the character will say "What on [insert planet/plane here] was I THINKING??????" and regret their actions. If they had lost some charisma checks and done things they normally Just Wouldn't Do, I personally might even automaticly give them the +5 'being attacked' bonus if the same caster ever tried it again.
Darklone
Registered User
I'm not a paladin but I beat up my best friend once because he deserved it (I didn't start though).
I second the others who said that a Charisma check will let you act differently as usual... so as long as you win that check, beat the charming dude to hell.
Seconded the notion about how you'll have to treat your group members too though.
Everytime I played such a char, I end up killing my own group sooner or later. Sue them.
I second the others who said that a Charisma check will let you act differently as usual... so as long as you win that check, beat the charming dude to hell.
Seconded the notion about how you'll have to treat your group members too though.
Everytime I played such a char, I end up killing my own group sooner or later. Sue them.
Ymdar
Explorer
I'd say, charm depends on the given PC (or NPC). I had some PCs who drew sword on the party, and others who would never do things like this.
Once my PC (who was the one who drew sword on the party) got charmed by a lich to get some treasure out of a dragon's hoard. Since he was low on spells and hps, he decided to take a nap go after the dragon next day. Yes, he has lots of friends and many people like him.
Once my PC (who was the one who drew sword on the party) got charmed by a lich to get some treasure out of a dragon's hoard. Since he was low on spells and hps, he decided to take a nap go after the dragon next day. Yes, he has lots of friends and many people like him.
Kevin Brennan
First Post
I'd think that the charm wouldn't let you overlook the brain eating, but it might let a mind flayer get away with saying "yes, I ate their brains, but they were bad people anyway and I have to eat brains to live".
MarkB
Legend
One thing to bear in mind is the "the best possible light" can be twisted a long way by a person trying to rationalise a good friend's bad behaviour.
Maybe the best possible light in which to view a mind flayer eating an innocent person's brains would be "No, he didn't really do that. He must have cast an illusion of himself doing that in order to test my loyalty, but I won't betray him over such a simple ruse!"
Maybe the best possible light in which to view a mind flayer eating an innocent person's brains would be "No, he didn't really do that. He must have cast an illusion of himself doing that in order to test my loyalty, but I won't betray him over such a simple ruse!"
brehobit
Explorer
Say your best friend is going to press the shinny red button that destroys the world. I'd argue you could (and hopefully would) stop him and still maintain a friendly attitude. I've had students who I consider friends who I've had to fail in a class. So I did something "bad" to a friend. Pretty hurtful. But what I think is the right thing.
I'd rule that (minus a chr check) a character could grab the guy trying to push the red button. Even, if it was clearly the only option, shoot him to stop him. But things are rarely that cut and dried. The Chr check would stop you from acting at all ("no, this red button doesn't destroy the universe, it just _looks_ like the one that does")
Net effect, charm is hard. But yes, under extreme circumstances, a charmed person could attack their charmer. Rare, but possible.
Mark
I'd rule that (minus a chr check) a character could grab the guy trying to push the red button. Even, if it was clearly the only option, shoot him to stop him. But things are rarely that cut and dried. The Chr check would stop you from acting at all ("no, this red button doesn't destroy the universe, it just _looks_ like the one that does")
Net effect, charm is hard. But yes, under extreme circumstances, a charmed person could attack their charmer. Rare, but possible.
Mark
