Pathfinder 1E Is PAIZO becoming the next Wizards?

Well I don't know about Paizo being the new WOTC. Frankly, I don't need or want them to be that. They have become who many folks I know turn to for their D&D fix, and I think the number of Pathfinder players will continue to increase. Their products in the 3.x/PF arena are beautiful: They are well made, the art is quality, and they have some of the best (and some really great new talent as well) writing for them.

I know they do not possess the market share of WOTC, but they are growing. How much they are growing and what the end result will be cannot yet be seen by the gaming community. But it is hard to argue that it is not occurring. They are all over many FLGs now where two years ago I don't recall seeing them there, both of their hardback books are regularly in the top 10 on amazon (in the roleplaying games catagory). The core rules are often in the number 1 spot in that catagory. The increased display in stores and the sales rankings IMO demonstrate that folks are buying these products.

As far as innovation goes they have done some neat stuff in the area of community involvement from open playtests to contests like RPG superstar. Wether or not you consider those things to be innovative is really a matter of opinion (I think they are), but if not innovative they are at least refreshing.

Its nice to see a gaming company I like thriving. I don't know much about their numbers, but I do know that they have continued hiring, and have new lines coming out, so something must be going right. and I am glad for it.

I'm not anti-WOTC. I buy their minis and tiles, and will be picking up their Ravenloft boardgame this year. With the Star Wars RPG coming to an end they just won't have anymore RPG products I am interested in anymore. If they release an RPG I like in the future I will buy it.

IMO one of the main differences between Paizo and WOTC is the DDI paywall vs. the everything is open aspect of Paizo. I am not saying DDI is a bad product, but I much prefer Paizo's approach. When new D&D stuff is made it is put behind the paywall and the only way to look at it is to give money to WOTC to look at what is essentially design notes and advertising, where at Paizo, I can download or view the playtest material for free in full in high quality PDF and post and ask questions directly to the developers (and often get them answered). The end result for me and for many folks I know is that it is easier to gain entry into the Paizo/Pathfinder scene than the DDI/D&D4 scene.

WOTC used to be like that as well, and I spent a lot of time on their site as a result and bought more of their products as a result. Stuff I might not had otherwise bought if I had not gotten to check out bits from the release. Now I realize that WOTC does have free previews up as well but as I navigate through their site I often hit the paywall (or used to, as I quit going there a while back, maybe it has changed,a nd if so please consider this point moot).

Either way it appears as if the RPG ndustry is doing well with all the new releases as of late. I am glad for it. It is a good year to be a gamer.

love,

malkav
 

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I could have sworn I read a statement by Lisa stevens that Paizo was the 2nd largest company in the industry now. I could be mistaken however.

You remember correctly. Check this discussion. You'll find a couple of posts by Lisa in the entire thread, but the post you're looking for is right on the first page, namely here. It doesn't quite say what you remember she said, but I think the meaning is close enough ("If WotC is the 800 lb gorilla, we're 400"). Either that, or you did have another discussion in mind. :)
 
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I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. You make some fair points but you are not convincing me the same as I am not convincing you.

*extends hand for a shake*

Works for me man... I don't have any real stake in the matter. :D

(I'm kind of a dork in the fact that I like talking about business stuff- Yeah... I listen to Marketplace. :-P)
 

IMO one of the main differences between Paizo and WOTC is the DDI paywall vs. the everything is open aspect of Paizo. I am not saying DDI is a bad product, but I much prefer Paizo's approach. When new D&D stuff is made it is put behind the paywall and the only way to look at it is to give money to WOTC to look at what is essentially design notes and advertising, where at Paizo, I can download or view the playtest material for free in full in high quality PDF and post and ask questions directly to the developers (and often get them answered). The end result for me and for many folks I know is that it is easier to gain entry into the Paizo/Pathfinder scene than the DDI/D&D4 scene.

I don't think this is entirely fair. There is a lot of free preview stuff WotC posts, both at the start of the month when showing upcoming products, and numerous individual previews for each book over the course of the month leading up to release. Plus, lately, a lot of free excerpts shared with various RPG blogs as well as on Facebook, Twitter, etc. Plus the demo of the character builder and the compendium, both of which have a lot of free info for early levels of play. Plus the early issues of the online magazines which remain free, plus H1 which is available online for free.

I honestly can't make any actual comparisons to other companies (since I haven't seen firsthand what Paizo or others make available), but I think the claim that the only way to look at 4E material is to go behind the paywall of DDI... is simply wrong, and has no basis in actual reality.
 

Seriously, once the giants of the D&D industry say these things, Keefe's quick dismissal strikes me as highly insincere. I love 4E as a game, but boy, that prose can't be salvaged. :D

Agree with you. Wotc seem to have spent its best resources on creating a solid mechanic system, while cheapen out the fluff... and, as you, I like 4E... :)
 

IMHO - It is not fair to compare Paizo to WotC in the range of success...or equate them in any way.

So no, Paizo is not becoming the next WotC...they are just becoming "Paizo and more".
 

I could have sworn I read a statement by Lisa stevens that Paizo was the 2nd largest company in the industry now. I could be mistaken however.

You wouldn't have heard that from me, since there is no way to really tell. Since almost all of the gaming companies are privately held, nobody reveals their revenues. So I really don't know 100% where Paizo stacks up in the industry. I have my educated guesses from almost 25 years in this business, but nothing 100% factual. I know where we stand in terms of sales to various distributors (because they told us), but that doesn't give me the whole picture. Let's just say that Paizo is doing very well and I am very happy with where we stand in the industry. :)

-Lisa Stevens
CEO
Paizo
 



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